[jlisenbe]

Unemployment rate is Aussie land is 5.2%. If you'd like, we'll let you borrow Mr. Trump for a few months so he can help you lower that.

[paraclete]

Unemployment rate is Aussie land is 5.2%. If you'd like, we'll let you borrow Mr. Trump for a few months so he can help you lower that.

No you keep him, he is doing enough damage where he is. Our statistics don't work the same as yours so when it hits 5% we have full employment because most of those who make up the statistics live in the more undeveloped regions, all we need here to boost everything is rain and you can't talk that into being, besides you need him he is soooooo good for the economy

Long Live the Umbrella Revolution .....and no Hong Kong is NOT part of China . Xi will find he will not be able to roll over these protesters like

Tiananmen Square

Wishfull thinking Tom, what are you going to do, park the 7th fleet in Hong Kong harbour? There will be much talk but Hong Kong is part of China

[jlisenbe]

Our statistics don't work the same as yours so when it hits 5% we have full employment because most of those who make up the statistics live in the more undeveloped regions,

How convenient. Those "made up" statistics can really be difficult to explain.

he is soooooo good for the economy.

Actually, he has been, and we can say that without having to make up wild tales to interpret our data.

[tomder55]

Wishfull thinking Tom, what are you going to do, park the 7th fleet in Hong Kong harbour? There will be much talk but Hong Kong is part of China

No I expect the people of Hong Kong to take care of business. Our fleet is not required . Trump wouldn't send them anyway . He still thinks he can cut a deal with China . He better learn the difference between business dealings and Chamberlain like appeasement .

China needs that robust Hong Kong economy and these protesters are much more tech savvy than the ones in 1989 .I think in the end they extract a kind of autonomy similar to what they had as a colony. They know that they can do better than the 22 years of stagnation they have seen from the commies .

[paraclete]

No I expect the people of Hong Kong to take care of business. Our fleet is not required . Trump wouldn't send them anyway . He still thinks he can cut a deal with China . He better learn the difference between business dealings and Chamberlain like appeasement .

China needs that robust Hong Kong economy and these protesters are much more tech savvy than the ones in 1989 .I think in the end they extract a kind of autonomy similar to what they had as a colony. They know that they can do better than the 22 years of stagnation they have seen from the commies .

Obviously you haven't been to Hong Kong, a dynamic economy but autonomy isn't big on the communist agenda

[tomder55]

yep and us leaving the empire wasn't on the Brit's agenda either . But all the protesters are asking is for Beijing to live up to the requirements laid out in treaty under which Britain handed over Hong Kong in 1997.As of right now it is not an "independence " movement . Autonomy was part of the deal that China is breaking .

In Hong Kong, millennials see what socialism does and fight it. Here our young have NEVER experienced it yet embrace it.

The movement leaders in Hong Kong are roughly the same age as America's founders. The prospect of their success was equally as bleak as the protesters in Hong Kong's are . Yet our founders pledged their lives ,fortune,and sacred honor to the cause of liberty . I will continue to support the protesters in Hong Kong.

[tomder55]

The protesters appear to be adopting some Antifa tactics . From WSJ :

"The huge crowds of hun­dreds of thou­sands of pro­testers at the start of the sum­mer have given way to smaller groups of mo­bile protests us­ing more-ag­gres­sive tac­tics, such as light­ing fires on roads and hurl­ing objects toward police.­


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[talaniman]

The thing to watch is how the Hong Kong government handles these protestors, and what will China do to exert whatever authority they think they have.

[paraclete]

The thing to watch is how the Hong Kong government handles these protestors, and what will China do to exert whatever authority they think they have.

I think you will find they will be dealt with in the same manner as dissidents in other communist countries. The communists don't need a treaty to move these people to reeducation camps. The Chinese mainland is very close, just a bridge away

[talaniman]

Ruling by fear and force has always been a tool for such authoritarianism, no matter what they call their ideology. Whether the population can resist is a totally different question.

[tomder55]

Among the grievances in our Declaration of Independence are the following :

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

It was right for us to rebel and it is right for the protesters in Hong Kong . They have not completely called for Independence because as Jefferson wrote in the Declaration ;

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[Athos]

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.




I couldn't help reading these words of Jefferson and thinking how perfectly they apply to Trump's presidency.

[tomder55]

go for it .Just keep in mind what Grant wrote in his memoir about revolution ;that it is an inherent right BUT any people ...who resort to this remedy stake their lives and property and any claim of protection from the state . "Victory or the conditions imposed by the conqueror-must be the result "
https://www.bartleby.com/1011/16.html

[Athos]

In for a penny, in for a pound.

[talaniman]

DUMP THE DUFUS in 2020.

Problem solved!

[paraclete]

Dream on

[jlisenbe]

DUMP THE DUFUS in 2020.

Problem solved!

If you want that to happen, you'll have to come up with a reasonable alternative, unlike the last time when you ran someone who was both corrupt and inept. Who will that be?

[Wondergirl]

If you want that to happen, you'll have to come up with a reasonable alternative, unlike the last time when you ran someone who was both corrupt and inept. Who will that be?

Bill Weld.

[jlisenbe]

Bill Weld.

Completely supports abortion including partial-birth abortion and, I imagine, gay marriage. No can do.

[Wondergirl]

Completely supports abortion including partial-birth abortion and, I imagine, gay marriage. No can do.

But but but he's a Republican!