[talaniman]

Adding exclamation marks does not prove your point.

The resolution identifies itself as the Green New Deal. The resolution is a plan. I was the one who brought it up and Tal tried to excuse it as simply an "idea" to make it, I guess, more politically acceptable. But have it anyway you want. It's a stupid idea/plan that will bankrupt the country.

It just dawned on me that you don't have a clue of what you're talking about! You're just mimicking the right wing talking points given to you by the repub noise machine. I know for fact you haven't read the green new deal so have no clue what's in it. It is going to happen in one form or another though and it started decades ago, despite the billions spent to stop it.

[jlisenbe]

It just dawned on me that you don't have a clue of what you're talking about! You're just mimicking the right wing talking points given to you by the repub noise machine. I know for fact you haven't read the green new deal so have no clue what's in it. It is going to happen in one form or another though and it started decades ago, despite the billions spent to stop it.

The GND started with AOC less than a year ago. You have no idea what you are saying. Some of the basic ideas have, of course, been around longer than that, but the GND pulled them together into one insane package. I linked it. Try reading it.

This will no doubt astonish you, but the repubs don't bother to send me talking points. I'm not a republican so why would they?

[tomder55]

There is no Green New Deal. Just some bullet points .

Saikat Chakrabarti AOCs former chief of staff admitted that the GND had nothing to do with the environment .

“The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all,” “Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” he added.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ief-of-change/

[jlisenbe]

There is no Green New Deal.

14 pages of bullet points? I don't think so. Read it. It speaks of a series of goals being accomplished within 10 years.

https://apps.npr.org/documents/docum...eal-Resolution

[tomder55]

I have some nice fairy tale goals too . Just sprinky some pixi dust and fly type of stuff .Any serious bill that comes out of it is DOA even in a Pelosi Congress.

[jlisenbe]

Any serious bill that comes out of it is DOA even in a Pelosi Congress.

You are probably right about that, but the danger is that left-wingers will start to pound that message of "We must do something in the next twelve years." It may be that there are enough dumb people around to buy into that.

[paraclete]

don't bother doing anything, it is too late and would be too little anyway, that is, if you are a true believer but some of us have weighed the evidence and understand that there was never a moment when we could have done more than standby and watch

[jlisenbe]

don't bother doing anything, it is too late and would be too little anyway, that is, if you are a true believer but some of us have weighed the evidence and understand that there was never a moment when we could have done more than standby and watch

Good observation. There is a train of thought that, even if the extreme global warming scenario is true, it would be a lot cheaper to simply adapt rather than try and reverse it. At any rate, the day of carbon fuels are probably limited anyway.

[paraclete]

Good observation. There is a train of thought that, even if the extreme global warming scenario is true, it would be a lot cheaper to simply adapt rather than try and reverse it. At any rate, the day of carbon fuels are probably limited anyway.

Even if we stopped using all carbon fuels today, it would not make any difference. The opposite is true. If you examine the evidence of long term climate you realise that we are on the precipice of an ice age. Carbon fuels may be needed to survive but anyway this has always been a northern hemisphere problem and I wish you luck

[tomder55]

the retreat of the glaciers from the last ice age began long before the combustible engine .

[paraclete]

This is true and must tell us something but noone wants to listen. You can't sell solar cells and windmills if you can't believe in AGW, it is the greatest con of the age, even better than aluminium siding, even in my country there are millions of solar cells on roofs and vast wind farms, and all it has done for us is to make us more prone to major power outages. The world tells us we are among the greatest polluters and yet our skys are clear, the air is crisp and clean, and we have met our targets

[talaniman]

You Aussies don't know what your doing. Your black/brown outs aren't caused by solar or wind, that's over capacity. Nothing to do with AGW. Just grid management.

[jlisenbe]

How would over capacity cause a brown out?

[talaniman]

The system cannot handle the load without an engineer reroute and adding an additional power source. The grid is made of many sources depending on size. For example, everyone in a sector running AC in the middle of the day, or as in Texas, the Cowboys are playing, and the stadium DEMNDS a lot of energy. The weather is a factor also. It's about demand and meeting that demand. Grid efficiency and managing that demand is the priority.

Increase capacity in one sector usually means decrease for another during times of high demand.

[tomder55]

here is NY we are about to depart on a most reckless experiment . WE are about to shut down the most reliable source we have powering the New York City area , Indian Point nuclear plant. We have an abundance of natural gas that the Democrat machine will not allow us to tap into . We cannot pipe in gas because il Duce Cuomo (brother of Fredo) will not allow the construction of pipelines. The next largest source is hydro power generated in the far North West of the State from the Niagara River . That has to be transmitted ;a 400 mile wire travel with all the energy loss along the way. So when we start getting brown outs and black outs it will not be because over capacity . It will be because of insufficient capacity .

[paraclete]

You Aussies don't know what your doing. Your black/brown outs aren't caused by solar or wind, that's over capacity. Nothing to do with AGW. Just grid management.

That is called mismanagement by socialist state governments who took down the coal fired generation (base load) without any backup. They would not have done this if ratbags had not advocated removal of these assets because of AGW

[jlisenbe]

The system cannot handle the load without an engineer reroute and adding an additional power source. The grid is made of many sources depending on size. For example, everyone in a sector running AC in the middle of the day, or as in Texas, the Cowboys are playing, and the stadium DEMNDS a lot of energy. The weather is a factor also. It's about demand and meeting that demand. Grid efficiency and managing that demand is the priority.

Increase capacity in one sector usually means decrease for another during times of high demand.

Yes, but I don't think that is over-capacity. Wouldn't over-capacity mean having more generating capacity than is needed?

[talaniman]

Darn if you're not right. Been in the Texas heat too much today. *D I described under capacity.

"You Aussies don't know what your doing. Your black/brown outs aren't caused by solar or wind, that's under capacity*. Nothing to do with AGW. Just grid management."

*supply cannot meet demand.

[jlisenbe]

Darn if you're not right. Been in the Texas heat too much today. *D I described under capacity.

I try to be right once every two or three years. (<:

[paraclete]

I try to be right once every two or three years. (<:

How's that working for you?