[tomder55]

I've decided ....Williamson is going to be my write in candidate .

[talaniman]

I can't say that's a bad choice. Harris's and Warren's debate performances have gotten them traction, poor Joe's showing has hurt him for now. It's still rather early though.

[tomder55]

Marianne Williamson

@marwilliamson

Left wing establishment elitism is no less dangerous than Right wing establishment elitism because it undermines the energy needed to create real change. The wisdom of the American people is the only safe repository for power. Claim it; don’t give it away.

[talaniman]

Sounds good but I fear you will be caught in no choice land after the nominations when it will be a dem, maybe you don't like against the dufus. If Ms Williamson IS somehow the nominee though, she will have my vote.

[tomder55]

I vote for the irrelevent because my vote has no relevence in NY State .

[talaniman]

I vote for the irrelevent because my vote has no relevence in NY State .

Like mine in the Great State of Texas?

[paraclete]

well this is the price of living in a democracy and having a minority opinion. It sucks when your party doesn't get elected but take heart, your friends knew who to elect

[talaniman]

Can't blame it on the Electoral College either! Bummer!

[tomder55]

if roles were reversed ,the Dems would swear by the Electoral College . I swear by it anyway. What is intolerable is a tyranny of the majority .

[talaniman]

I've been skeptical of EC for years, for I think the same reasons as you, the tyranny of the majority to play political games, and state party bosses rigging the system, but to be fair the founders probably were rigging the sytem since it's inception. They knew about the politics and didn't trust the ordinary citizen. The original house of reps was balanced (?) by the elite picked senate back then. Bet their heads would pop at the evolution of the system they put in place.

You're right though we holler foul when we lose. Thank God the EC only applies to the presidency, but even still it gives us a very unpopular president, with no real mandate, but then again Hillary would be in the same boat wouldn't she, with no congress behind her whatsoever though? No doubt she would be under impeachment with little hope of surviving her first year let alone accomplish anything useful. I still want Scottie to beam me up. Anyplace but Earth is more attractive to being subjected to the constant hollering of this prez, and I wonder how people with no hobbies survive.

[paraclete]

if roles were reversed ,the Dems would swear by the Electoral College . I swear by it anyway. What is intolerable is a tyranny of the majority .

Tell me, Tom, when have you been subject to the tyranny of the majority, Your electoral results would suggest that the results hang on a knife-edge with a few basis points separating them, unless it is that the majority decides to vote which appears to be rare

[tomder55]

Tell me, Tom, when have you been subject to the tyranny of the majority,

Never ,the electoral college ,the bicameral legislative branch ,the separations of powers the guarantee of rights in the Constitution and the amendments ,and our federal system prevents a tyranny of the majority . That's why it is disturbing that people are buying into these ideas like scrapping the electoral college ,the Senate and even states in the interest of the "will of the people " .

[jlisenbe]

Small federal government is a great safeguard.

[talaniman]

Never ,the electoral college ,the bicameral legislative branch ,the separations of powers the guarantee of rights in the Constitution and the amendments ,and our federal system prevents a tyranny of the majority . That's why it is disturbing that people are buying into these ideas like scrapping the electoral college ,the Senate and even states in the interest of the "will of the people " .

I've never heard of scraping the senate, or states and getting rid of EC requires a constitutional amendment so none of that is likely to happen any time soon so it's just talk at this point.

Small federal government is a great safeguard.

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I think it should be big enough to be efficient, but what protects minorities from the states? So what can a small government be a safeguard for?

[jlisenbe]

I think it should be big enough to be efficient,

At it's present size, it is running a deficit of hundreds of billions of dollars a year. So much for efficiency.

but what protects minorities from the states?

The Constitution. It does not take a large fed government to enforce the Constitution. Besides, the issue of state sponsored discrimination against minorities is the least of their problems now. Wasn't true in the 60's, but it is true now.

So what can a small government be a safeguard for?

Protection from the tyranny of elected and appointed officials who believe their job is to run our lives for us. Everything from gay marriage to Obamacare to ridiculous fed regulations to interference in education to seat belt regulations, and on and on it goes. I would much, much prefer they do much less.

[paraclete]

so you don't like the nanny state then, but you elected these people

[tomder55]

I've never heard of scraping the senate, or states and getting rid of EC requires a constitutional amendment so none of that is likely to happen any time soon so it's just talk at this point.

admit it ;you want all the above .

Here is a Dem icon in the House proposing the elimination of the Senate . The Senate is the product of the Connecticut Compromise .It was diluted mightily by the 17th Amendment .
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/4/181255...abolish-senate

Here is a Compost Editorial 3 years ago proposing the elimination of states .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/

As you know many states are entering into a compact designed to make the EC irrelevant .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rstate_Compact

[paraclete]

As you know many states are entering into a compact designed to make the EC irrelevant .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rstate_Compact

Perhaps elected government is becoming irrelevant 150 years after government of the people, for the people, by the people should not perish, etc. but surely the concept of a house of review, a states house is somewhat irrelevant when the house of representatives can barely do their job

[talaniman]

Given the challenges and no real groundswell of support to overcome those challenges I just write it off as just another idea, just as I do most of the loony right wing stuff that's out there. No telling what ideas pop up next from the left or right, but if they can't gain support and be implemented they are just talking points.

Let me know when it gets serious.

[duson12]

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