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    Jun 16, 2019, 08:16 AM
    Nukes isn't like selling guns to tribesmen. It's a big deal to all the neighbors including some of our allies. You remember India and Pakistan nuke rattling a few years ago?
    The Iranian nuke program was the camel's nose under the tent . You're side wasn't serious about stopping it much like the allied nations were not serious about stopping the German buildup when they were violating the Versailles Treaty . Non-proliferation is dead . So the question becomes ;are you comfortable with a new Iran hegemon ? The secondary question is ;as an alternative to the Saudis and the Gulf states nuking up ,would you prefer that they all come under the American nuclear umbrella ?
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    Jun 16, 2019, 08:27 AM
    whatever floats your boat


    Does it float your boat?
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    Jun 16, 2019, 08:49 AM
    Nukes isn't like selling guns to tribesmen. It's a big deal to all the neighbors including some of our allies. You remember India and Pakistan nuke rattling a few years ago?
    The Iranian nuke program was the camel's nose under the tent . You're side wasn't serious about stopping it much like the allied nations were not serious about stopping the German buildup when they were violating the Versailles Treaty . Non-proliferation is dead . So the question becomes ;are you comfortable with a new Iran hegemon ? The secondary question is ;as an alternative to the Saudis and the Gulf states nuking up ,would you prefer that they all come under the American nuclear umbrella ?

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    Sorry Tom, I didn't see this.
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    Jun 16, 2019, 11:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The Iranian nuke program was the camel's nose under the tent . You're side wasn't serious about stopping it much like the allied nations were not serious about stopping the German buildup when they were violating the Versailles Treaty . Non-proliferation is dead . So the question becomes ;are you comfortable with a new Iran hegemon ? The secondary question is ;as an alternative to the Saudis and the Gulf states nuking up ,would you prefer that they all come under the American nuclear umbrella ?
    Yeah that's all we need in the world. Two terrorist repressive nuclear armed governments at war with each other. Nice plan. They can barely handle the old pop guns we give them.
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    #25

    Jun 16, 2019, 12:02 PM
    what's your plan ? accept the existence of the Iranian hegemon ?
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    Jun 16, 2019, 12:24 PM
    Getting rid of the lying cheating dufus, would be a GREAT start to a GREAT plan.
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    Jun 16, 2019, 12:50 PM
    focus please
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    Jun 16, 2019, 01:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    focus please

    OK. The lying cheating EVIL dufus.
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    Jun 16, 2019, 02:11 PM
    Getting rid of the lying cheating dufus, would be a GREAT start to a GREAT plan. ]
    Then what?

    focus please
    Do you know who it is your talking to? That's all we ever hear from him; President is a dufuf, dufus, dufus. He has nothing better to say.

    Anybody who voted should accept the fact that Trump (just as if you voted for him) is our President.

    Getting rid of Trump is "the Plan', there is no plan beyond that. It is your hate that makes you sound ignant (mine comes Naturally).
    Getting rid of the current liars, cheaters and morons is not going to correct anything. Look towe-
    red Jesus and forget this mess you have created for yourself.

    EVIL dufus
    Nope, we already established that the 'Evil Dufus' (She won that vote. You can be proud) did not get elected.
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    Jun 16, 2019, 03:03 PM
    There is no hate Walt just a perverse pleasure at seeing conservatives don't like to be treated as they have treated others. Case in point the Obama years and the Clinton decades after a withering onslaught of right wing attack! I love it and see the fun you guys had at throwing rocks slinging mud, and generally blaming everything on liberals.

    Now it's your turn so stop crying and take it because you will get it back like you gave it. Just like it was your DUTY to oppose liberals it's liberals duty to oppose conservatives. Here we are!
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    Jun 16, 2019, 03:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Anybody who voted should except the fact that Trump (just as if you voted for him) is our President.
    "Except" is the perfect word! It means omit, not include. Trump should definitely be excepted!
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    Jun 16, 2019, 03:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    "Except" is the perfect word! It means omit, not include. Trump should definitely be excepted!

    Nice catch - girl of wonder!
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    #33

    Jun 16, 2019, 05:22 PM
    you will get it back like you gave it.
    Not even close. Why do you suppose there is much more Hatred directed toward Trump? The Dems have declared War! Why, why do you think the Dems declared war? Because they are a bunch of Elite smug school kids that lost power. Playing the Game and then Screaming CHEAT, CHEATERRR!!!It's Childish and Immature. Your not calling Trump Stupid (dufus) your calling the Institution Stupid. Trump is not part of the institution, he doesn't have an axe to grind. Let the man do his Job.

    Why bother comparing Trump with Hillary and or Obama, Trump doesn't even come close to the Cr*p that those two pulled while in office.
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    Jun 16, 2019, 05:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Trump is not part of the institution, he doesn't have an axe to grind. Let the man do his Job.

    Why bother comparing Trump with Hillary and or Obama, Trump doesn't even come close to the Cr*p that those two pulled while in office.
    Trump came into office with AXES to grind. The swamp, the Iran deal, the Paris accord, NAFTA, China, Obamacare, illegals and what he couldn't change he threw out. The man had an agenda. Trump way or the highway. If he wasn't such a loud mouth buffoon he might have achieved more. His party don't like him but they will vote for him because he has shown how to defeat the demonrat B/S
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    Jun 17, 2019, 07:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    Not even close. Why do you suppose there is much more Hatred directed toward Trump? You (Dems) have declared War! Why, why do you think the Dems declared war? Because they are a bunch of Elite smug school kids that lost power. Playing the Game and then Screaming CHEAT, CHEATERRR!!!It's Childish and Immature. Your not calling Trump Stupid (dufus) your calling the Institution Stupid. Trump is not part of the institution, he doesn't have an axe to grind. Let the man do his Job.
    Yes I am calling the dufus stupid, which, not being a part of the institution as you said, has nothing to do with the institution at all, but the dufus himself. You mean liberals don't have the right to try and make him a one term prez as you tried to do with Obama? I hope we are more successful, if not oh well.

    It is what it is, so enjoy what you can while you can, until repubs grow some stones and reign in his buck wild red meat throwing fear mongering rhetoric. Being nice here because he is still the biggest liar I have ever seen!
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    #36

    Jun 17, 2019, 02:28 PM
    You mean liberals don't have the right to try and make him a one term prez
    No. First you must recognize his Excellency's Position as being Legitimate.
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    Jun 17, 2019, 02:35 PM
    That's questionable, and I have a right to question his positions and the legitimacy of them, and I do. All Americans have that right.
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    Jun 17, 2019, 02:52 PM
    So, If he is found out to be Illegitimate, after this term is up, would he be considered eligible to serve two additional terms?

    He is our Standing president. You can't nullify (100% impossibility) his Presidency. Your team played the game and lost, suck it up and do what is right. People the world over, when making reference about Americans have always uttered the word Stupid. It should be no surprise, its almost as if the world brought it into existence. America is Devalving, we have been for decades...But do what you feel Is best for you and the Country. It's a s**t show and I have a feeling it will continue long after Trump is out.
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    #39

    Jun 17, 2019, 02:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by waltero View Post
    No. First you must recognize his Excellency's Position as being Legitimate.

    The voters chose Hillary Clinton by millions of votes over Trump. It was only because of an outmoded system of counting votes that Trump snuck in. The Founding Fathers are turning over in their sepulchres. What was intended to keep out the Trumps of this world backfired and allowed this one in.
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    Jun 17, 2019, 03:29 PM
    The voters chose Hillary Clinton by millions of votes over Trump. It was only because of an outmoded system of counting votes that Trump snuck in. The Founding Fathers are turning over in their sepulchres. What was intended to keep out the Trumps of this world backfired and allowed this one in.
    The 'Trumps of this world' have been running this world for a long time. I understand, it was suppose to be Hillary's turn.

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