[jlisenbe]

between the dufus domain in NY and The WH or ML, no telling who he is seeing or why.

A president meeting people in secret??? Who ever heard of such a thing. It's a good thing that Loretta Lynch didn't secretly meet with Bill Clinton when his wife was under active FBI investigation. I'm sure Tal would have been greatly concerned about a meeting like that.

[tomder55]

https://www.wsj.com/video/im-still-a...CE7A50DB2.html

[talaniman]

A president meeting people in secret??? Who ever heard of such a thing. It's a good thing that Loretta Lynch didn't secretly meet with Bill Clinton when his wife was under active FBI investigation. I'm sure Tal would have been greatly concerned about a meeting like that.

That meeting was inappropriate in the appearance but pales in comparison to what the dufus has done which is much more than suspicious on it's face and for what we don't know. but suffering from Clinton Traumatic Syndrome as you have been makes it understandable why you would conflate the two as equally dumb. The words, actions, and behavior of the dufus is demonstrably much more egregious than Lynch and the Clintons by far.

[waltero]

So What? I am as American as you are. I VOTE too.

Voting for candidates is not enough.
Oh, That Time When Clinton Said Anyone Who Doesn’t Accept The Results Of An Election Is A Threat To Democracy

It's easy to talk about Trump having no Honor (deal breaking with Iran...you are joking?). Quote: "How can you Trust a deal breaker"...
Honoring the vote???

I do believe the future of this country would have suffered for a very long time if Hillary had been elected. Voting by its very nature is an “instrumental” act: a means to an end. Voting is most commonly the act of choosing the best option among the viable options available. It is not an endorsement of the candidate’s character or even his or her positions. Many, many considerations may factor into one’s vote. By contrast, Hillary was supported foursquare by her party, its institutions, and its elected officials, who would not support her impeachment even if she were caught personally leading a burglary at the RNC. Neither candidate was fit for office, but only one candidate has a chance at being removed for unfitness.


How strange it is to argue that we voted for the impeachable candidate

[jlisenbe]

That meeting was inappropriate in the appearance but pales in comparison to what the dufus has done which is much more than suspicious on it's face and for what we don't know.

How could you possibly know? Where you there? Do you know what was said? Do you know what has been said in Trump's private meetings?

Politics. All politics.

[waltero]

Do you know what has been said in Trump's private meetings?

Yes, it went something like this; Durr Duh, Durrr which way did he go, which way did he go...


"Trump is going to start a WAR!" Durr Duh.

Nobody is going to start sh*t while Trump is in Office.

[talaniman]

How could you possibly know? Where you there? Do you know what was said? Do you know what has been said in Trump's private meetings?

Politics. All politics.

I don't have to know, but I do know you NEVER trust a liar, a cheater, and a bully without VERIFICATION. Until then I'm highly suspicious.

Nobody is going to start sh*t while Trump is in Office.

Does that include the dufus not starting one?

[jlisenbe]

I don't have to know

The motto of liberals. "Knowledge is not necessary."

[Wondergirl]

The motto of liberals. "Knowledge is not necessary."

The motto of conservatives: "We don't need no stinkin' knowledge!"

[waltero]

The motto of conservatives: "We don't need no stinkin' knowledge!"

AKA, NeverTrumpers.


Conservatism is an actual intellectual application. Liberalism is just the easiest choice anybody can make. All you have to do is pretend to care about things and say so. Conservatism, all of these values and principles of conservatism require action to implement, not just thought.

[Wondergirl]

Conservatism is an actual intellectual application. Liberalism is just the easiest choice anybody can make. All you have to do is pretend to care about things and say so. Conservatism, all of these values and principles of conservatism require action to implement, not just thought.

For a few weeks recently, I was a member of a Christian conservative group. There were no "intellectual applications," no values, no principles except "we are right in how we think." As Dr. Phil would say, they were right-fighters*. They didn't DO anything to help anyone, were basically white male supremacists pounding their chests.

*A right-fighter is someone who insists on having the last word in an argument or refuses to back down no matter what. Challenges of Being a "Right-Fighter". 1) People who are right-fighters, (or those who are driven by the need to be right), have their value or worth literally attached to the outcome of being right.

[waltero]

For a few weeks recently, I was a member of a Christian conservative group. There were no "intellectual applications," no values, no principles except "we are right in how we think." As Dr. Phil would say, they were right-fighters*. They didn't DO anything to help anyone, were basically white male supremacists pounding their chests.

*A right-fighter is someone who insists on having the last word in an argument or refuses to back down no matter what. Challenges of Being a "Right-Fighter". 1) People who are right-fighters, (or those who are driven by the need to be right), have their value or worth literally attached to the outcome of being right.

AKA, NeverTrumpers.

Well Tal, there you have it. Dr. Phil has figured you out.

[Wondergirl]

AKA, NeverTrumpers.

Well Tal, there you have it. Dr. Phil has figured you out.

Um, not Tal!!!!

[jlisenbe]

For a few weeks recently, I was a member of a Christian conservative group.

Why did you become a member?

[Wondergirl]

Why did you become a member?

I was raised and lived much of my adult life as conservative Christian and figured I'd know some of the other group members. And I did or had known their parents and grandparents.

[jlisenbe]

So what turned you away from being a conservative Christian? I know a lot of them and they are active in deed as well as word.

[Wondergirl]

So what turned you away from being a conservative Christian? I know a lot of them and they are active in deed as well as word.

I know a lot of them, too. Most are not active in word OR deed, especially the latter. It's a whole 'nother layer of conservatism today, a superficial layer, not the conservatism I have known much of my life. Instead, it's a conservatism I don't want any part of or to be part of.

[jlisenbe]

I know a lot of them, too. Most are not active in word OR deed, especially the latter. It's a whole 'nother layer of conservatism today, a superficial layer, not the conservatism I have known much of my life. Instead, it's a conservatism I don't want any part of or to be part of.

I can't speak for the people you know, but I can tell you this. The drug rehab facility I work with would not be there if not for conservative Christians. I would guess there are twenty to thirty churches and individuals who help out, and virtually all are Christians who love Jesus and love those men. I just don't see anyone out there who is excited about gay marriage, abortion, the welfare state, or other items from the liberal point of view.

[Wondergirl]

I just don't see anyone out there who is excited about gay marriage, abortion, the welfare state, or other items from the liberal point of view.

Ah, your Christian love DOES have limits! (P.S. Those aren't liberal points of view; they're human situations that need unconditional love.)

[paraclete]

unconditional love

Yes, the philosophy of the liberals that says; I can have my sin but you must give me your compassion. We can sympathise with those in these situations, however, there are alternatives. Come out from among them.