[Wondergirl]

Border security was the primary issue that took Trump to the Presidency . The only REAL reason that Pelosi and Schumer oppose it is because Trump is President . They both supported border barriers in 2006 ;as did the emperor and Evita .

No one's against border security. It's the blankety-blank wall that people are against.

[jlisenbe]

fueled by fear of losing power and domination for the minorities you have oppressed, exploited, and controlled since this nation was born.

That's a ridiculous, senseless statement. It's the usual drivel we get from liberals who, when they have no real argument to make, resort to name calling. "You don't agree with me, so you must be a racist, fear-mongering Nazi!"

No one's against border security. It's the blankety-blank wall that people are against.

It's not an issue of what you are not against, but rather of what positive actions you suggest we should take to secure our southern border. A repeat of the failed policies of the past decades just does not get my attention. Build the wall!

[tomder55]

tal you expose yourself by saying you want inertia rather than getting a negotiated solution with Trump. I think you and WG are both in serious denial because you have provided no solution to open borders . Why not admit that is what you want ? You can go full George Soros .

[Athos]

I am not anti-Jewish or anti-Israel

Then what did you mean when you posted that "America is a Jewish lackey".

That line comes right out of the anti-semite talking points.

[Wondergirl]

think you and WG are both in serious denial because you have provided no solution to open borders .

To repeat: "Immigration enforcement" does not need a wall. It needs sane laws, well-trained employees, respect for people from other races and cultures.

[talaniman]

tal you expose yourself by saying you want inertia rather than getting a negotiated solution with Trump. I think you and WG are both in serious denial because you have provided no solution to open borders . Why not admit that is what you want ? You can go full George Soros .

That ship has sailed and my opposition to a fence was voted down years ago. As will your big beautiful concrete wall from sea to shining sea that you can see from space. It's a false narrative just like your open borders fallacy, and that inertia comment. The dufus has made the southern border a humanitarian crisis with his fearmongering rhetoric.

[Wondergirl]

We own half of the Rio Grande. Do we build the wall midstream? Or, on which side of the Rio Grande will we build it? Hmmmm, can't build it on the Mexican side. If we build it on the US side, we'll cut off our access to the river, which opens up tons of business and eminent domain and environmental problems. A wall will keep "them" out -- or keep us in?

[jlisenbe]

Why wouldn't the wall have the occasional gate?

[Athos]

Why wouldn't the wall have the occasional gate?

An "occasional gate" won't do anything for the tons of business and eminent domain and environmental problems, will it?

In any case, the wall is a dead issue. Not a chance in hell it's going to be built. Especially since Trump has changed his tune from Mexico paying for it to YOU, the American taxpayer, paying for it.

[talaniman]

An "occasional gate" won't do anything for the tons of business and eminent domain and environmental problems, will it?

In any case, the wall is a dead issue. Not a chance in hell it's going to be built. Especially since Trump has changed his tune from Mexico paying for it to YOU, the American taxpayer, paying for it.

The same tactic he used in business and left banks and contractors on the hook while he walked away. What's the chances he is doing it again since Mexico said screw you dufus. In addition he lies about how far along he is on his wall, and even says he will cut the ribbon later this year. Who even listens to this guy?

Only a sucker!

[paraclete]

Then what did you mean when you posted that "America is a Jewish lackey".

That line comes right out of the anti-semite talking points.

That may be so, but America has taken positions which place it firmly within Jewish policy such as moving its embassy to Jerusalem, a provocative move, and not opposing Jewish settlements. Why do you think the invasion of Iraq happened, Iraq under Saddam Hussein posed no threat to anyone but Israel. It was destroyed because it attacked Israel. America makes no complaint regarding Israeli air attacks on Syria, even though Israel is not at war against Syria. The American position against Iran benefits no one but Israel. American foreign policy is squarely in the hands of Jewish interests and the occupant of the White House has Jewish interests within his own family. Wake up and smell the roses

Look I think this two state solution is rubbish, better to give the Palestinians citizenship and completely annex the West Bank. Expel anyone who doesn't take up the offer and within a generation you would have a solution everyone could live with

[jlisenbe]

An "occasional gate" won't do anything for the tons of business and eminent domain and environmental problems, will it?

Actually, yes. The gates would solve a lot of problems. They seem to work in a lot of places and for many purposes.

[paraclete]

Obviously you need gates, why not cede the river to Mexico and build your wall a little back on solid ground. Do you think you will loose anything by doing this since that is what you are doing anyway. You could build great bridges as border crossings and regulate the flow as you do now, it is an effective barrier to a few transident refugees. Ask yourself what could a few billion dollars do in central America to stem the flow? The money could be spent on establishing industries to keep the people there, far more effective than a wall

[tomder55]

By international treaty ,and flood zone requirements, the wall would have a set back from the Rio Grande .

[jlisenbe]

Ask yourself what could a few billion dollars do in central America to stem the flow? The money could be spent on establishing industries to keep the people there, far more effective than a wall.

Nonsense. How much more do we need to send? They have received billions already. Most of what gets sent will just end up in some government officials retirement plan. Come to think of it, that's much like what happens here!

Build the wall.

[paraclete]

Nonsense. How much more do we need to send? They have received billions already. Most of what gets sent will just end up in some government officials retirement plan. Come to think of it, that's much like what happens here!

Build the wall.

I think you need to ask, do you really send anything? Much of your aid is tied aid, if it happens at all, remember Haiti. The aid you send is spent in the US not in the country and so aids only the US. Sure, build the wall the US needs the aid and the employment, what is one more useless structure anyway, better than highways to nowhere or bridges to nowhere.

By international treaty ,and flood zone requirements, the wall would have a set back from the Rio Grande .

Thank you Tom, my point exactly, you cannot build this border on the border for much of its length and having a design that doesn't restrict flood flow makes sense, last thing you want is to be accused of flooding Mexico

[Athos]

Thank you Tom, my point exactly, you cannot build this border on the border for much of its length and having a design that doesn't restrict flood flow makes sense, last thing you want is to be accused of flooding Mexico

You guys just don't get it, do you? The government will have to acquire several thousand miles to have the land to build the wall. Uncle Sam will have to go to court to establish eminent domain, then pay through the nose for all the private property, the waterfront businesses and homes, and everything else now existing on the property needed. By the time the preliminaries are done, Trump will be long gone and no one will care.

[paraclete]

You guys just don't get it, do you? The government will have to acquire several thousand miles to have the land to build the wall. Uncle Sam will have to go to court to establish eminent domain, then pay through the nose for all the private property, the waterfront businesses and homes, and everything else now existing on the property needed. By the time the preliminaries are done, Trump will be long gone and no one will care.

True but a few more miles might make a difference, of course they could just declare the border zone a national park, eminent domain, you know works in more ways than one or it could all become a military firing range, great excuse to practice life fire exercises, see if the illegals will cross then, never knowing when the next attack will come. Jets racing up and down the border making sonic booms should discourage them, but then you guys aren't that innovative

[Athos]

True but a few more miles might make a difference, of course they could just declare the border zone a national park, eminent domain, you know works in more ways than one or it could all become a military firing range, great excuse to practice life fire exercises, see if the illegals will cross then, never knowing when the next attack will come. Jets racing up and down the border making sonic booms should discourage them, but then you guys aren't that innovative

If idiot boy declares it a firing range or that other stuff, he'll be run out of town on the rail of impeachment. Hey, now that I think of it - good idea!!

[tomder55]

Athos I already established the fact that there are moves the government would have to make to extend the border fencing already built (hmmm how did the government manage to get over all the obstacles to build about 600 miles already ? ) There are natural barriers that do not need a physical barrier because they are barriers themselves .
The $5 billion Trump is asking for is spit in the ocean that amounts to a rounding error in the budget .NY spent almost $4 billion to build one bridge across the Hudson River . Massachusetts spent $24 billion to dig a tunnel .The Federal Government spent $25 billion annually maintaining vacant buildings and property . Billions more are wasted in the Federal Budget for various reasons that could easily be redirected . I am shocked the Dems have chosen this ant-hill to take a stand on;especially when what they could get in the negotiations would make this a victory for them.