[paraclete]

Apparently as the Syrian regime moves to end the civil war by taking Idlib, the stronghold of Al Qaeda, the US moves to protect it. It is strange that all the heartache in the world for the last 17 years has arisen from a battle with Al Qaeda and it's offshoots, and now the US wants to protect them. Was it all a sham? Have the americans been duped into a war against their friends?

https://www.blacklistednews.com/arti...-in-syria.html

[tomder55]

yeah well Assad is taking his cue from Putin ,and they plan to wage a war of annihilation in Ibid Provence like Putin did in in Grozny . That would be fine if all the city had was AQ fighters (and most of the rebels are not AQ) . But that isn't the case . Not even close. Like Grozny there will be mostly civilian casualties. Putin justified his attacks on civilians by saying the strikes were on "well known terrorist centers " .Grozny burned so brightly it could be seen from space. Today ;like your narrative ,Russian press is fill with stories about waging war against terrorists . Assad is more the terrorist than any AQ leader ever was .

It appears the US will let this happen unless Russian and Syrian forces cross the line and use chemical weapons ;as Assad has done more than once in the civil war. Other than that there has been relatively little US intervention . The emperor and now Trump want the US out of it ;even if it means the completing a Shia crescent ;a much greater threat than AQ .

[paraclete]

Tom a shiia crescent, as you put it, is not a threat to the US. Turkey would not want such an outcome and nor would Israel but you should be aware that there are significant numbers of shiia in these regions. No doubt Al Qaeda has taken refuge in Idlib and fuelled the rebellion against Assad. What is it about the US that wants these pockets of terrorists to exist, is it their close association with the Sauds, is it about an oil pipeline

[tomder55]

as you know the pipeline is the unstated cause of the civil war. I do not deny that . But how would the US gain from either proposed routes ? none. This week what was apparent all along became official . The US is the largest oil porducer in the world . We have our own refining and distribution issues to worry about.

Perhaps when the 12ers in Tehran have been deposed I could revisit a Shia hegemon. But for now ,the Iranians have waged war against the US since 1979 and I'm not about to forget the 10s of thousand US casualities and deaths that they are directly responsible for .

The destruction of the rebel army will not end the war. Terrorist militias will continue a low level insurgency against Assad, and the main rebel group will maintain control in isolated pockets of the country.But, with the destruction of the rebels in Ibid, there will no longer be any effective opposition to Assad. That is when his Army with Russian aid will run a nationwide mop up operation of revenge . That means ethnic cleansing like Saddam did ;and the Shia did when the emperor decided we should bug out .That means reining in the Kurds, who have established a semi-autonomous region in the south. The Kurds as tough as they are ,are no match for Russian jets and Hezbollah fighters. They, too, will be conquered.So Assad will rule the rubble of his country. Western and Arab nations are not likely to contribute to rebuilding, so Syria will slip into the status of a failed state..... a haven for terrorists that will be the training ground for jihadistan for decades.

[paraclete]

Slip into a failed state? How much more of a failed state is it already? Syria has borne the result of US meddling in the arab world. Syria has been a haven for terrorist for six years and like Afghanistan the war will never end. Muslims have very long memories but maybe Iran will help them rebuild so it too can have a mediterranian base. The Kurds are like the shiia of Iraq after the first Gulf War, expendiable

[talaniman]

The tribes were already contentious in the middle east before after and during the many Euro/American interventions and colonizations. The same is going on in Africa, India and a whole lot of other places. It would sure help if the differences would be known between the different mostly regional groups with the same names though. You may as well assign them numbers they are that loosely knit. What binds them all is capitalistic exploitation, and who gets put up as the authority to corruptly give permission (BRIBED to the lay people) for that exploitations. Money can prop up anyone, and anyplace, some bloodier than others, which is about the history of man isn't it?

The lesson of the crusades and ancient empires should have been a clue to money, power and corruption that didn't learn from the previous exploits of mighty armies conquering ancient lands. You must realize how easily armies can be raised with a few bucks to the poor folks, and sheeple. There has always been profit behind alignments to prop up many a dictators in history.

Didn't you guys look at DUNE?

[tomder55]

Syria has borne the result of US meddling in the arab world

as much as I'd like the trash the emperor's inciting 'Arab Spring ' ,the truth is that Assad has ruled as member of a minority population with a brutal jackboot and deserves nothing less than an ending like Q Daffy got .

Syria has been a haven for terrorist for six years

They were a terrorist haven when Assad's old man ran the country . They supported terrorist against the US since the early 1980s and allowed jihadists to travel through their country into the rat line into Iraq to fight US troops .Screw Assad .That jihadists turned on him is poetic justice .

but maybe Iran will help them rebuild so it too can have a mediterranian base.

Yeah the 12ers would like that .But since their emperor cash has run dry ,they have to fend off their own restless population who knows the money was squandered

The Kurds are like the shiia of Iraq after the first Gulf War, expendiable

yes they have been screwed by all sides for many years .

[tomder55]

The tribes were already contentious in the middle east before after and during the many Euro/American interventions and colonizations.

When the Muslim hordes were at the gates of Vienna and occupying large areas of Europe was that "intervention and colonization" ?

. What binds them all is capitalistic exploitation

OMG you are a one trick pony . Although it doesn't really surprise me the left's affinity to Islamism.

Islam is much happier to prioritise the needs of the community over that of the individual ,and shares the left's distrust of capitalism.

[talaniman]

Dictators and conquerors have no religion, but use it to rally the troops and inspire FEAR, and that's the way it's always been. How else can you have a HOLY WAR? Or a crusade? At least Genghis was honest as a Mongolian warrior barbarian. It was still about rape pillage and plunder. Everybody had a turn at it, Christians, Greeks, Romans, Nordics. Check your history books while you pooh pooh a few Islamic nuts making headlines where they can.

Even in America and especially n Europe the rise of Christian nut jobs is causing all kinds of havoc they blame on those other nuts. One trick pony indeed, while the game continues... rape, pillage and plunder all you can... and you do while blaming the other guy to justify the fat pockets you crave.

[tomder55]

Everybody had a turn at it, Christians, Greeks, Romans, Nordics

Godless socialist both national socialists and international socialists …...the casualties of that ideology can be counted in the tens of millions .

[paraclete]

It isn't only socialists, it is capitalists too everyone has blood on their hands

[talaniman]

Ideology doesn't kill people, people kill people.

[paraclete]

Ideology doesn't kill people, people kill people.

Seems I've heard that debate in another forum. Guns don't kill people either, eh. You need an update on your rhetoric.

[talaniman]

Couldn't resist Clete.