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talaniman · Jul 15, 2018, 08:52 AM

I have backed the wrong horse in an election before. Not even a big deal. I doubt I remain silent because of The Dufus, or YOU thinking I should because FACTS matter. Impeaching The Dufus is because he is a lying cheating CRIMINAL. As the evidence mounts, do you any that he is NOT as I say?

Vlad gives everyone asylum, he only has to ask.

LOL, Yeah there breaking down the doors to get into Russia.

paraclete · Jul 15, 2018, 03:20 PM

LOL, Yeah the're breaking down the doors to get into Russia.

Reverse migration, it might trend yet, but the cold prevents it, you can't even get the Muslims to migrate there, pity, they haven't worked out that Sweden is as cold as Russia, but in Russia you have to work

Any way tal Russia could be a great friend of The US if they both stopped this confrontationalism

talaniman · Jul 16, 2018, 04:32 AM

Hard not to confront a DICTATOR who suppresses his people, jails and kills his opponents, even the ones abroad, seeks to expand his sphere of influence by military might, and weaponizes the internet to destabilize western democracy. I think he is asking for a confrontation. Your suggestion to leave him be is a parrot of insane blithering by our own homegrown idiot(s).

You are not alone, and that's sad really.

paraclete · Jul 16, 2018, 03:57 PM

No obviously Trump has the same view because he has seen confrontationalism doesn't work Maybe he proceeds on the assumption that if you can't say anything good don't say anything at all. Putin is a problem for the Russians to solve not America. Trump is a problem for the americans to solve, not Russia. maybe Vlad has the answer, be nice. if the americans stopped interfering maybe Russia would too, Trump knows this

talaniman · Jul 16, 2018, 06:07 PM

Trump is a Russian agent! What will repubs do now? Even Fox and Friends can't believe what they saw in Helsinki!

paraclete · Jul 16, 2018, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Trump is a Russian agent! What will repubs do now? Even Fox and Friends can't believe what they saw in Helsinki!

Have some perspective Tal Trump is undoing past mistakes, ideologically this hurts those who thought Obama and Clinton were anything but crap

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/once-ag...-about-russia/

talaniman · Jul 16, 2018, 07:20 PM

The Dufus is an incompetent idiot who couldn't undo his own tie without extensive help. But at least you offer some basis for your assertion and I thank you for that. If you had listened carefully you would have heard Putin admit he wanted Dufus to win and he directed his flunkies to help him. Waiting for that to be caught and replayed a few times. Yes Putin has been a target for a long time to be eliminated from the national stage because he is a murderous dictator and has a big dangerous stick. But the real deal perspective is he hopes to regain all the money he has lost, and he just took the Kim playbook and made it so. Yep oldest motive in the world MONEY!

I have to offer Clete, you want world peace and stability? Get rid of the Dictators.

paraclete · Jul 16, 2018, 07:33 PM

I have to offer Clete, you want world peace and stability? Get rid of the Dictators.

The world has worked long and hard on that one tal, and maybe one day it will be convenient, but you saw what happened with Gaddafi and the aftermath, do we want that again. It didn't work in Syria either. Democracy will eventually give rise to dictators who will do away with democracy and again and again we go through the stages, democracy, republic, empire, autocracy, anarchy, monarchy, democracy, etc, not necessarily in that order

talaniman · Jul 17, 2018, 05:23 AM

The Dufus is propped up by his base of supporters and elected republican sycophants who quake in their boots at the idea of being seen going against him. I bet they are wondering how that base will react to the disgusting performance in Helsinki, and until they do know, they will be silent, but the next few days will be intriguing as he returns home to face the fallout. Meanwhile Mueller has DETAINED another Russian spy, this time on American soil and she has been indicted. A homecoming gift if you will.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bu...cid=spartanntp

The evidence is mounting.

paraclete · Jul 17, 2018, 04:19 PM

Who denies interference, but what effect did it have, were the Russians running around the rust belt changing people's minds? Trump's performance was what could be expected, no big agreements, he went into it saying don't expect anything

Wondergirl · Jul 17, 2018, 04:43 PM

were the Russians running around the rust belt changing people's minds?

Yes.

1. Established personal contact with Americans perceived as sympathetic to Moscow;
2. Hacked the Democratic National Committee email servers and then gave the material to WikiLeaks;
3. Amplified the propaganda value of the leaked emails with a disinformation campaign waged predominantly on Facebook and Twitter, in an effort to use automated bots to spread fake news and pro-Trump agitprop;
4. Breached US voting systems in as many as 39 states leading up to the election, in an effort to steal registration data that officials say could be used to target and manipulate voters in future elections.

Evidence mounts Russia meddled in US election - Business Insider

paraclete · Jul 17, 2018, 05:19 PM

And the question is did this change people's minds

talaniman · Jul 18, 2018, 04:08 AM

It doesn't matter. Whether it changed minds or not, the Russians assaulted our election system and there should be hell to pay. The stunt in Helsinki pissed off a lot of Dufus sycophants. What they do about it is to be seen, but you should have known no way was The Dufus going to legitimize Mueller or the intel community in public. His whole narrative is it's a witch hunt, biased against him, and a democratic plot. His whole tap dance is about keeping him and his family out of JAIL!

The question you should be asking is what was the deal that the Dufus and Putin agreed to behind closed doors with no witnesses? I suspect we may find out if it changed minds or not later, but for now stay focused on what's going on NOW! Like MORE indictments!

You or nobody else can say if Russian actions changed minds or not at this point, or if influential Americans, or American organizations colluded with them.

paraclete · Jul 18, 2018, 06:57 AM

As you said it doesn't matter, because reality is that Trump didn't collude with the Russians but if they wanted to discredit him this is the way to do it and they have succeeded is sowing doubt and no doubt it is payback for attempts to destabilise Russia and various other eastern nations. Your days of interference are over, this is the message

talaniman · Jul 18, 2018, 07:21 AM

You betting on Vlad and The Dufus huh? No surprise there.

paraclete · Jul 18, 2018, 04:08 PM

If you want a new world order things have to change otherwise all you have is the old world order and the great game. Maybe shooting uncle Sam is the way to go then you might be able to bring Vlad in from the cold

talaniman · Jul 18, 2018, 04:26 PM

Read my lips! Screw Vlad! Screw Kim! Summit Season is over!

paraclete · Jul 18, 2018, 04:29 PM

Now what is coming in the centre ring, will it be a high flying act or a bit of lion taming, no! Just more clowns

talaniman · Jul 19, 2018, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

And the question is did this change people's minds

With The Dufus and his sycophants constantly cheering the Russians to find Clintons Emails and lock her up and all the wikleaks love promotion, NO DOUBT minds were changed or influenced. How many we can't know but for sure it played a huge role in key states, coupled with her own shortcomings she lost but not by much. Hardly a mandate from the people to act a blithering idiot.

As we find out more facts on the extent of Russian meddling, it gets more insidious so the question of did it matter becomes even more stark. You damn skippy it mattered!

No doubt minds were changed and poisoned. Be it FOR The Dufus, or AGAINST Hillary.

tomder55 · Jul 19, 2018, 07:53 PM

were the Russians running around the rust belt changing people's minds?

Yes.

1. Established personal contact with Americans perceived as sympathetic to Moscow;
2. Hacked the Democratic National Committee email servers and then gave the material to WikiLeaks;
3. Amplified the propaganda value of the leaked emails with a disinformation campaign waged predominantly on Facebook and Twitter, in an effort to use automated bots to spread fake news and pro-Trump agitprop;
4. Breached US voting systems in as many as 39 states leading up to the election, in an effort to steal registration data that officials say could be used to

target and manipulate

voters in future elections.

Evidence mounts Russia meddled in US election - Business Insider

so we went from hacking ;stealing ,colluding ,to trying to influence . That's what a year and half investigation buys us these days . And the Ruskies changed the outcome of the election by sending a clown car of operatives (dubbed the Illegals )like

Anna Chapman ;who actually registered a burner phone to '99 Fake Street' .We're to believe they ran hacks out of Russian offices in the military and secret service without even attempting to disguise the source or ever the key strokes. They did all this agiprop ;hacking infiltration of voting machines on a shoe string budget . Cozy Bear ,Fuzzy Bear ,Guciffer 2 ,all got into an unprotected DNC server and fed information to Wikileaks .Does this even pass the smell test ? Meanwhile what did US intel do about it ? They infiltrated and investigated the Trump campaign ,got very questionable FISA warrants , hired a former Brit spy with Russian contacts to concoct a salacious and unverified dossier to use to get these warrants . Oh but wait ….. the emperor told Putin to "cut it out " . And what did they get out of the DNC server ? Proof that it was Evita's campaign that was rigging the election against her primary opponent .

So why would the Russians want to interfere in the US election ? Could it be American involvement in the Rose Revolution in Georgia, the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the Tulip Revolution in Kyrgyzstan ...or maybe the release of the Panama papers during Putin's reelection bid ? I'm not a believer in moral equivalence . But we know that American operatives were on the streets when

Viktor Yanukovych was ousted . We know the emperor sent operatives into Israel to try to change the outcome of the Netanyahu win.

Let's assume the Russians really did all this ...are you saying the gullible American yahoos let Russian influence be the deciding factor rather than the growing populist wave that was a reaction to 8 years of the emperor's reign ?

Read the book lest the Dems make the same mistake in 2020 .

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076YZC99L...ng=UTF8&btkr=1