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    #661

    Oct 30, 2018, 07:19 PM
    Ask Trey Gowdy about his years of investigations that resulted in millions of taxpayers dollars with NO results. At least Mueller banked 46 million confiscating Manafort's ill gotten gains. That should cover expenses rather nicely, as we await to find out if the dufus is implicated in conspiracy, obstruction or criminal activities, or NOT!

    You can't say Mueller has nothing until he says he has NOTHING!
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    #662

    Oct 30, 2018, 07:24 PM
    as we await
    Indeed.
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    #663

    Oct 31, 2018, 09:19 AM
    https://vtdigger.org/2018/10/31/verm...smear-mueller/

    I know you hate smearing a good mans reputation JL, so I thought this would interest you.
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    #664

    Oct 31, 2018, 09:27 AM
    Check out
    http://sportspeedia.com/
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    #665

    Oct 31, 2018, 09:28 AM
    I have no sympathy for those who smear Mueller, even though I do fault him for selecting a staff almost completely composed of left wing investigators. Still, let the man do his job. If I did smear him, I would be like the pathetic demos who smeared Kavanaugh with no evidence at all. Remember how critical you were of them? No, wait. Actually, you were not critical at all.

    It's all about politics, and not about honor.

    Welcome aboard, Sharm!!
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    #666

    Oct 31, 2018, 08:19 PM
    I never smeared Kavanaugh, but I blasted the repubs for the way they handled things. I have little doubt they limited the scope of that sham investigation though it wasn't surprising at all. However the deed is done isn't it?
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    #667

    Nov 2, 2018, 04:31 AM
    Maybe dude was a party animal and a drunk and did a lot of stupid stuff back in the day, but you cannot ignore he may have traumatized a few people along the way with bad behavior, even if he can't remember or even cares.
    Wonder who the next woman to come out will be to smear the GOP virgin golden boy's sterling reputation (When he wasn't incoherently DRUNK that is)?
    No, you didn't smear him. Not you. Right.
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    #668

    Nov 2, 2018, 05:11 AM
    That wasn't a smear, it was a commentary based on anecdotal testimony of people he went to school with, or his own words. Were there links supplied? I'm sure there was, with highlights in quotes as well. Unlike the dufus and his sycophants who just plain lie and corrupt the whole system. The Mueller investigation continues seemingly with Roger Stone as his next target.
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    #669

    Nov 2, 2018, 05:25 AM
    That wasn't a smear, it was a commentary based on anecdotal testimony of people he went to school with
    It always amuses me how you redefine terms to make it more convenient for you. There was no evidence the man was guilty, yet you said, "even if he can't remember or even cares." So you claimed the man did not care with no evidence at all to support that. That is what is known to practically everyone as a "smear".
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    Nov 2, 2018, 05:49 AM
    I redefined NOTHING. Surely you are not saying he wasn't a hard drinking teen who did some dumb stuff, and evolved into a hard drinking frat boy? By definition a smear is a FALSE accusation. I said nothing false.
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    #671

    Nov 2, 2018, 06:06 AM
    You said he didn't care. That is a false accusation for which you have no evidence.

    "You believe Kavanaugh had a beer after the game? Probably had a case before and during."
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    #672

    Nov 2, 2018, 08:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You said he didn't care. That is a false accusation for which you have no evidence.

    "You believe Kavanaugh had a beer after the game? Probably had a case before and during."
    Maybe dude was a party animal and a drunk and did a lot of stupid stuff back in the day, but you cannot ignore he may have traumatized a few people along the way with bad behavior, even if he can't remember
    or even cares
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    If you are going to parse my words please include the qualifiers like probably... maybe... may have... even if... or! Or is it my Texas accent via Indiana that throws you off.
    I'm also qualified to evaluate drunks and addicts by the way.

    PS.

    Sorry I am not as qualified to evaluate your project pictures, but you seem to have done good so far without my help. Very nice fence surrounding your deck/porch. You have great skills.
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    Nov 2, 2018, 08:36 AM
    Sorry I am not as qualified to evaluate your project pictures, but you seem to have done good so far without my help. Very nice fence surrounding your deck/porch. You have great skills.
    Thanks. I just go REAL slow and try to think it all out carefully.

    I don't think you engaged is some great smear of Kavanaugh, but neither did you stand up for him and acknowledge that the "evidence" against him was flimsy.
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    #674

    Nov 2, 2018, 09:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Thanks. I just go REAL slow and try to think it all out carefully.

    I don't think you engaged is some great smear of Kavanaugh, but neither did you stand up for him and acknowledge that the "evidence" against him was flimsy.
    I could not after hearing the ALLEGATION against him which was CREDIBLE enough for a full investigation. The investigation in my opinion, was not extensive so it was not a credible investigation to find evidence. A statement of innocence is not evidence, more so an allegation isn't either. This was no court case so the standards are much lower than in a court of law, but a preponderance of the circumstantial admittedly anecdotal evidence far outweighed Kavanaugh's statements in my mind, but the kicker for me was my having prior knowledge of Kavanaugh's statements regarding past incidences with his mentor/sponsor and previous congressional interviews made the possibility of deception for whatever reason more likelier than a confused accusers (Ms. Ford) allegation.

    That in no way precludes, despite his admitted and proven history as a youth and college guy, that he turned himself around and got on a more responsible path. I must point out though the specter of deception was while he was an adult professional. In addition his impassioned rant at the opening of his statement before the most recent senate judicial committee hearing was so filled with innuendo of conspiracy and revenge on his part that he turned me completely off by showing me a less than savory side for one being interviewed for such high office as SCOTUS. A great dufus imitation, but a nail in his coffin for me.

    Bottom line is the CREDIBILITY of the senate investigation by the FBI sucked! I cannot in good conscious support any of this surrounding this nominee. The evidence of Kavanaugh's veracity left me wanting in to big of a way. Hope that explains my point of view.
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    #675

    Nov 4, 2018, 10:58 AM
    This is all you need to know about the Kavenaugh hearing .

    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo...enclosures.pdf
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    #676

    Nov 4, 2018, 11:39 AM
    And that means ALL the other testimonies they investigated are false?
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    #677

    Nov 4, 2018, 11:46 AM
    Hello again,

    Here's my uninformed prognostication.. As soon as practical after the midterm, Trump will FIRE Jeff Sessions, and FORCE Ron Rosenstien to resign.. That effectively passes the responsibility for the investigation to the Solicitor General, who is a Trump ally, and he'll KILL the investigation..

    Mueller, knowing that he's gonna be nuetered, will file a boatload of indictments and/or subpoenas on Tuesday or Wednesday..

    Or, the investigation gets burried, and Trump gets away with it all.. And, my beloved country will be resigned to the dustbin of history..

    excon
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    #678

    Nov 4, 2018, 12:58 PM
    Or, the truth comes out which is there is nothing to the allegations. Now liberals kind of have a problem with accepting that an accusation is not the same as proof. Check out the Kavanaugh hearings to see evidence of that.

    This is all you need to know about the Kavenaugh hearing .

    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo...enclosures.pdf
    Just amazing. Turns out that she lied for political purposes. That will come as a shock to some on this board. It's why that nagging little thing called "evidence" is kind of important.
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    #679

    Nov 4, 2018, 03:59 PM
    Everybody included Ms. Ford called for an investigation and what we got was a complete SHAM only the stupid would fall for. That's okay, take your judge pick, for now. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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    #680

    Nov 4, 2018, 04:24 PM
    We got an investigation which revealed that Dr. Ford's witnesses disputed her account. Not a single person was found to lend credibility to her story. Again, you are being led by your hatred of Mr. Trump. It is the same brand of politics practiced by the birthers, except that they at least had some small amount of evidence. You have none.

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