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    Nov 11, 2016, 04:29 AM
    We still have a chance
    https://www.change.org/p/electoral-c...on-december-19
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    Nov 11, 2016, 05:38 AM
    Do you really think that is democracy, this election isn't first past the post, it is more complex to avoid the most populous states dominating, in a democracy you.play by the rules dilliary should never have been the candidate
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    Nov 11, 2016, 06:41 AM
    Hello Scott:

    Nahh.. It's OVER. The Democrats forgot who they are. They tried to out Republican the Republicans... It started 30 years ago when Reagan FIRED the Aircraft Controllers en masse, and the other unions said NOTHING..

    It's time to rebuild a NEW Democratic party based on the notions of Bernie Sanders. As much as I LIKED Obama, he was just another centrist Democrat who forgot his roots.

    excon
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    Nov 11, 2016, 11:00 AM
    Even if there were enough 'faithless electors ' ,the election has to be certified by Congress . The Republicans control Congress.

    Since 1887, 3 U.S.C. 15 sets the method for (Congressional) objections to electoral votes. During the Joint Session, Members of Congress may object to individual electoral votes or to state returns as a whole. An objection must be declared in writing and signed by at least one Representative and one Senator. In the case of an objection, the Joint Session recesses and each chamber considers the objection separately in a session which cannot last more than two hours with each Member speaking for no more than five minutes. After each house votes on whether or not to accept the objection, the Joint Session reconvenes and both chambers disclose their decisions. If they agree to the objection, the votes in question are not counted. If either chamber does not agree with the objection, the votes are counted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Do you really think that is democracy, this election isn't first past the post, it is more complex to avoid the most populous states dominating, in a democracy you.play by the rules dilliary should never have been the candidate
    We are not a democracy . We are a Constitutional Federal Republic . A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner .
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    Nov 11, 2016, 03:14 PM
    We are a Constitutional Federal Republic . A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner .
    A Constitutional Federal Republic is where the wolves have decided that they have a right to eat sheep because it says so on the constitution
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    Nov 11, 2016, 03:28 PM
    We had to suffer through 8 years of Obama... now its your turn.
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    Nov 11, 2016, 03:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    We had to suffer through 8 years of Obama... now its your turn.
    Unfortunately, you're going to suffer, too.
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    Nov 11, 2016, 04:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    A Constitutional Federal Republic is where the wolves have decided that they have a right to eat sheep because it says so on the constitution
    nope it protects the sheep's rights as well as the wolves .
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    Nov 11, 2016, 05:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    nope it protects the sheep's rights as well as the wolves .
    Do you really think that when that constitution was written the sheep were considered? Where does it say the sheep (slaves) were free? No it is a document that allows the wolves to run free and devour what ever they will.

    It protects the sheeps' rights to be eaten, penned, shorn and sold.
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    Nov 11, 2016, 05:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Do you really think that when that constitution was written the sheep were considered? Where does it say the sheep (slaves) were free? No it is a document that allows the wolves to run free and devour what ever they will.

    It protects the sheeps' rights to be eaten, penned, shorn and sold.
    When you get off your high horse you can speak of slavery in Australia ,that lasted much longer than here in the States . Slavery in your democracy lasted into the 1970s.


    Our founders wrote a document that guaranteed that slavery would be addressed in the country .Their compromise was that they could not end it at the time of passage so they wrote in terms that guaranteed the issue would come up at a later time .
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    Nov 11, 2016, 05:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Do you really think that when that constitution was written the sheep were considered? Where does it say the sheep (slaves) were free? No it is a document that allows the wolves to run free and devour what ever they will.

    It protects the sheeps' rights to be eaten, penned, shorn and sold.
    Then amendments were added to forbid slaughter, open the gates of the pens, limit shearing times, and greatly increase the market price for sheep so as to limit sales.
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    Nov 11, 2016, 06:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Unfortunately, you're going to suffer, too.
    No I'm not... anything will be an improvement over the last 8 years. Jimmy Carter would have been an improvement.

    I'm sick and tired of subsidizing people out of my hard earned money who go to Starbucks every day, and have new Iphones I can't even afford.
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    Nov 11, 2016, 06:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Then amendments were added to forbid slaughter, open the gates of the pens, limit shearing times, and greatly increase the market price for sheep so as to limit sales.
    and what good has that done for the sheep, the number of sheep has greatly increased, and sheep are no longer valued as the wolves have decided that there is a cheap race of goats not far away who will herd the sheep
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    Nov 11, 2016, 06:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    and what good has that done for the sheep, the number of sheep has greatly increased, and sheep are no longer valued as the wolves have decided that there is a cheap race of goats not far away who will herd the sheep
    I sense there's a book in here somewhere. Or a children's picture book with a morality storyline.
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    Nov 11, 2016, 06:50 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I sense there's a book in here somewhere. Or a children's picture book with a morality storyline.

    I think it's been already written, it's called the Big Bad Wolf and the fact is the wolf can ignore the pigs when he has sheep and goats to eat
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    Nov 11, 2016, 07:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I think it's been already written, it's called the Big Bad Wolf and the fact is the wolf can ignore the pigs when he has sheep and goats to eat
    Does the BBW have orange hair and face? This version won't have pigs in it -- unless they are lobbyists and top donors (a plot complication).
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    #17

    Nov 11, 2016, 10:27 PM
    BBW was Half Kenyan and Half Caucasian... or from Arkansas in another incarnation... that latter of which got 25 million Dollars from the Saudi Prince recently to buy favors.
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    Nov 12, 2016, 05:09 AM
    smoothy, half Kenyan doesn't go with half Causasian. One's a country and the other is a skin color.
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    Nov 12, 2016, 08:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by joypulv View Post
    smoothy, half Kenyan doesn't go with half Causasian. One's a country and the other is a skin color.
    You know what I'm saying... I said that for a reason.

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