[tomder55]

Tom the key is how much the doctors are paid, obviously if payment is insufficient they will want to opt out. There are differences between essential or emergency surgery and surgery that is non urgent or for cosmetic reasons, just as there are differences in why people want to consult a doctor. One of the great reasons people want to consult a doctor is fear, they are unable to identify common ailments. Doctors have been trained not to rely on their judgement but to order up expensive tests, etc when most of the time these will yield a negative result. If these procedures were paid for on the basis of positive result their use would decline to essential occasions.

You see everything through the lens of a commercialised system that only works for the top 10% or those with expensive insurance

the fallacy of the argument above is that the elective surgery in a commercialized system like we have has demonstrated that the costs reduce as the doctors who perform these procedures are subject to competitive market forces . Cosmetic surgery ,lasik ....all have seen the prices drop. It is in the mandated coverage where the system is collapsing here . I have to give the Obots credit . They designed a system that was intended to fail ,and it is working as planned . All we see here is insurance companies either dropping out of the emperor's exchanges ;or consolidation of the few remaining giants of the industry . But that is the government way . Giving the favored rent seekers the advantage.

[talaniman]

The fallacy of YOUR argument Tom is that we are on the way to Medicare for all. Crying and whining over those poor doctors and insurance companies who exploit the system is a waste of time. Just like all those repeal votes with no replacement of ObamaCare.

Subjecting the health of ordinary Americans to unrestrained capitalistic market forces should have been CRIMINAL a long time ago. Even you cannot make a case for denying legitimate treatments in life saving situations. Funny how that has always affected the least most vulnerable Americans, and enriched doctors who seek the clientele of paying customers only, using the slow pay, low pay, BS excuse, since MOST EVERY STATE in the union bears responsibility for the well being and medical care for its own citizens, but I guess it's easier to blame Obama than your governor for such a lacking system.

I started to copy/paste the part of the link I provided about "Evita's" plan to rebuild crumbling cities devastated by companies that moved all those blue collar jobs overseas chasing cheap slave labor by taxing the uber rich an extra 5%. Wrap your head around that for a minute! 5% tax brings in trillions, creates new middle class jobs, but repubs say NO WAY!

Can you find it on your OWN? I have the donald's plan also,

The 5-Part Donald Trump Economic Plan Unveiled

And the libertarians,

Platform | Libertarian Party

And the green party

Green Party on Budget & Economy

and

https://www.greenparty.org/

Only in America can you shop and compare in your underwear from your favorite chair!

[earl237]

Typical Bernie Sanders supporters - www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5pjA-0myEs

Typical Trump supporters - www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuanrYGnIOI

Democracy isn't so great when morons start to outnumber sensible people


The links don't work so to find the first one, type "stupid Sanders supporters" and for the second one type "Mississippi voters"

[tomder55]

[QUOTE=earl237;3778301]

Democracy isn't so great when morons start to outnumber sensible people

QUOTE]
Exactly ;
democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner . The Dems love democracy because they can forge a majority together to vote to steal the property of others not in the majority .

[paraclete]

Democracy isn't so great when morons start to outnumber sensible people


Exactly ;
democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner . The Dems love democracy because they can forge a majority together to vote to steal the property of others not in the majority .

Tom you know very well they do this because the majority don't care enough to vote, also said to be a democratic expression of the will of the people. The problem with the system as you see it is that it is a two horse race offering a choice between the Demorats and the Repubbats

[smoothy]

Tom you know very well they do this because the majority don't care enough to vote, also said to be a democratic expression of the will of the people. The problem with the system as you see it is that it is a two horse race offering a choice between the Demorats and the Repubbats

Problem is they can't even muster enough numbers honestly and legally, that they push for disallowing people to have to prove they are legally entitled to vote... that way dead people can vote, Illegals can vote.. and they can vote multiple times, sometimes in multiple states as has been proven to have occurred many times the last two elections.

You can't apply or for or collect welfare or food stamps without proof of who you are... yet these same people DON'T have one to vote? Yeah, and I have prime ocean front property in Nebraska to sell you too.

[tomder55]

Problem is they can't even muster enough numbers honestly and legally, that they push for disallowing people to have to prove they are legally entitled to vote... that way dead people can vote, Illegals can vote.. and they can vote multiple times, sometimes in multiple states as has been proven to have occurred many times the last two elections.

You can't apply or for or collect welfare or food stamps without proof of who you are... yet these same people DON'T have one to vote? Yeah, and I have prime ocean front property in Nebraska to sell you too.

yes the Dems are the party of the fraud vote. They now have the courts confirming their position that ineligible people ,and the dead have a vote .

[paraclete]

yes the Dems are the party of the fraud vote. They now have the courts confirming their position that ineligible people ,and the dead have a vote .

Sounds like a bad case of GOYA

[smoothy]

Dems were also cheering job losses etc... they WANT things ot get worse so they can sucker the low information voter.

Directly from Wikileaks themselves... have a read. One example from the hacked DNC emails.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7848

[paraclete]

Sorry, don't get the relevance of that link, yes it is an email?