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    Aug 7, 2014, 10:30 PM
    Am I taking crazy pills?
    I want to know if anyone else agrees with my way of thinking in regard to asking and answering questions on the internet.

    I have tried to find answers to problems I've had and try to ask questions on forums to get some advice, opinions, or possibly even a solution. The problem is, I have never received GOOD advice that makes asking my question(s) worth it. Not only that, but when I read other user's questions and answers I always see the same trend. The trend people have in answering questions is to either bad mouth the person asking the question, give obvious advice, or put their personal opinions regarding the matter.

    Question about chewing tobacco? You'll get at least 5 answers from people calling chewing tobacco gross, telling you you're stupid for chewing tobacco, or try to convince you to quit chewing tobacco. Unless the question specifically inquires about trying to quit chewing tobacco, why would someone think it is appropriate to include information about quitting the habit. If there is a question about a sore in someone's mouth and they add that they happen to chew tobacco, it does not mean that they need motherly advice.

    I posted a question on the men's health forum the other day even though I knew I probably would not receive beneficial information. I could not have been more correct as the first answer to my question called me a fool and told me to "stop playing doctor" and let my doctor do his job. The user was "Frank" something and his post made me think he was intoxicated when he wrote it because it made absolutely no sense. He repeated his words twice and never addressed a single question I actually had. In my post I specifically said that I tried to fix my medical issue myself and realized it was stupid and then went to the doctor. Why would I need someone to tell me something I already stated? Or why would I appreciate someone calling me a fool who does not even know me?

    Not only that, but I asked the question because the doctor was baffled by my situation and I wanted any opinions (which I stated) or any relatable stories that could help me try and understand what I was experiencing. Then, the next answers were about how the first answer was right and going on about advice that if they actually read my post, would have realized I had tried.

    Does anyone else think that it is inappropriate to answer someone's question with an answer that does not help? I would think every sane person would agree, but clearly there is a trend that shows otherwise. The worst answer I received was from the frank user who had an "expert" tag on his profile and did not seem the least bit intelligent on any field of study when I looked over his past posts.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 01:48 AM
    Yes you are taking crazy pills.

    Chewing tobacco is bad, it causes yellowing of teeth, breath issues, and after time, can cause mouth cancer. I know several that has happened to.
    To anyone around you, that must watch, such activity, it is gross. And no one of any higher social status would ever do that.

    Chewing ( and spitting) is a lower culture habit.

    The medical advice, no one on the internet can tell you what is wrong with you, because they have not examined you, have not done testing or more.

    Your error is trying to decide and know everything, yourself, and not trusting the doctors.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 04:20 AM
    Yes, you are yakking crazy pills. No one on the internet can diagnose a lump on a penis. You are a fool by trying to play doctor.

    The he members here can view all of your posts. I know which one you are referring to and the members name is not "Frank."
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    Aug 8, 2014, 04:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jjohnson4 View Post
    I want to know if anyone else agrees with my way of thinking in regard to asking and answering questions on the internet.

    I have tried to find answers to problems I've had and try to ask questions on forums to get some advice, opinions, or possibly even a solution. The problem is, I have never received GOOD advice that makes asking my question(s) worth it. Not only that, but when I read other user's questions and answers I always see the same trend. The trend people have in answering questions is to either bad mouth the person asking the question, give obvious advice, or put their personal opinions regarding the matter.

    Question about chewing tobacco? You'll get at least 5 answers from people calling chewing tobacco gross, telling you you're stupid for chewing tobacco, or try to convince you to quit chewing tobacco. Unless the question specifically inquires about trying to quit chewing tobacco, why would someone think it is appropriate to include information about quitting the habit. If there is a question about a sore in someone's mouth and they add that they happen to chew tobacco, it does not mean that they need motherly advice.

    I posted a question on the men's health forum the other day even though I knew I probably would not receive beneficial information. I could not have been more correct as the first answer to my question called me a fool and told me to "stop playing doctor" and let my doctor do his job. The user was "Frank" something and his post made me think he was intoxicated when he wrote it because it made absolutely no sense. He repeated his words twice and never addressed a single question I actually had. In my post I specifically said that I tried to fix my medical issue myself and realized it was stupid and then went to the doctor. Why would I need someone to tell me something I already stated? Or why would I appreciate someone calling me a fool who does not even know me?

    Not only that, but I asked the question because the doctor was baffled by my situation and I wanted any opinions (which I stated) or any relatable stories that could help me try and understand what I was experiencing. Then, the next answers were about how the first answer was right and going on about advice that if they actually read my post, would have realized I had tried.

    Does anyone else think that it is inappropriate to answer someone's question with an answer that does not help? I would think every sane person would agree, but clearly there is a trend that shows otherwise. The worst answer I received was from the frank user who had an "expert" tag on his profile and did not seem the least bit intelligent on any field of study when I looked over his past posts.
    Geeze... look at WHO is passing judgement on others.

    Yes you are taking crazy pills. I agree with the others... seriously... what you are doing now is 100 times worse than anything anyone ever said to you, and I did read your other posts and ALL the responses. Did someone pee in your Wheaties?

    If you don't like your first doctor or question their conclusions...you PAY to go to to a second doctor and get another opinion, You don't go on the internet....ask random people, who you aren't paying a dime to....then deride and belittle them because you didn't get the answers you wanted the way you wanted them. Because we are all volunteers...and your bad attitude is unwelcome. We aren't paid to take abuse from you or anyone else. In fact we aren't paid for anything. We do it because most people (which might come as a surprise to you) actually appreciate the fact they can get advice from others on various topics. Even when its not what they were hoping to hear.

    I recommend dialing back the attitude a few notches....you will find you have fewer problems with everyone you interact with if you do.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 06:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jjohnson4 View Post
    I want to know if anyone else agrees with my way of thinking in regard to asking and answering questions on the internet.

    I have tried to find answers to problems I've had and try to ask questions on forums to get some advice, opinions, or possibly even a solution. The problem is, I have never received GOOD advice that makes asking my question(s) worth it. Not only that, but when I read other user's questions and answers I always see the same trend. The trend people have in answering questions is to either bad mouth the person asking the question, give obvious advice, or put their personal opinions regarding the matter.
    You get what you pay for. If you don't like it go elsewhere. The problem is that you will find this attitude everywhere. If you ask for advice than you're going to get it and you're going to get advice and answers for questions you're not asking. Maybe you don't know you should be asking the question or whatever doesn't really matter. It REALLY shows that you're only 19. You believe you're smarter than everyone and know more than everyone. You'll grow out of it, but to speed up the process please realize that you know precious little, and you have a lot to learn. Your pride already has a thousand reasons that statement isn't true, but that is the problem. Everyone is in that boat. Ignorance is rampant but it is curable. There is a lot that I am ignorant of and when I come across it I try to learn. It takes a certain maturity to realize this. You've not got to that point yet, but relax, it will come and life will become a lot easier when it does.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjohnson4 View Post
    Question about chewing tobacco? You'll get at least 5 answers from people calling chewing tobacco gross, telling you you're stupid for chewing tobacco, or try to convince you to quit chewing tobacco. Unless the question specifically inquires about trying to quit chewing tobacco, why would someone think it is appropriate to include information about quitting the habit. If there is a question about a sore in someone's mouth and they add that they happen to chew tobacco, it does not mean that they need motherly advice.
    To be tangental, chewing tobacco is as disgusting, if not worse, than smoking the crap. The mouth sores are just the beginning. There is no reduction in tobacco related effects by chewing. The only difference is that you get mouth cancer instead of throat and lung cancer. One of the problems with chewing is that it will change the fundamental chemistry and biology of your mouth. This will cause sores. It is symptomatic of chewing. So if you want to get rid of the sores and not get them again than stop chewing. Simple as that. So now you have a choice, either continue to commit suicide one mouthful at a time or quit.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjohnson4 View Post
    I posted a question on the men's health forum the other day even though I knew I probably would not receive beneficial information. I could not have been more correct as the first answer to my question called me a fool and told me to "stop playing doctor" and let my doctor do his job. The user was "Frank" something and his post made me think he was intoxicated when he wrote it because it made absolutely no sense. He repeated his words twice and never addressed a single question I actually had. In my post I specifically said that I tried to fix my medical issue myself and realized it was stupid and then went to the doctor. Why would I need someone to tell me something I already stated? Or why would I appreciate someone calling me a fool who does not even know me?
    Put that ego away. Really. The quy's name of Fr_chuck. You need grounding, see the ego/pride comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjohnson4 View Post
    Not only that, but I asked the question because the doctor was baffled by my situation and I wanted any opinions (which I stated) or any relatable stories that could help me try and understand what I was experiencing. Then, the next answers were about how the first answer was right and going on about advice that if they actually read my post, would have realized I had tried.
    And that is what you got. The other thing you don't know is that you got a massive amount of bacteria all over your skin. When you pop zits, or cysts, or anything on your body you open yourself up for subcutaneous infections. This goes double for your junk because, unlike your face/hands, it is a moist area with sloughed off skin that is wonderful food. The chances for infections here are vast. You got a baffled doctor. Seen another. See a specialist. Why would you want advice from the figuratively unwashed masses? It is a great place for ancedotal stories that will have NOTHING to do with your circumstances that you're experiencing. Further more if you take the advice offered and you get hurt than the person giving it could be legal responsible for that. I don't want that.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjohnson4 View Post
    Does anyone else think that it is inappropriate to answer someone's question with an answer that does not help? I would think every sane person would agree, but clearly there is a trend that shows otherwise. The worst answer I received was from the frank user who had an "expert" tag on his profile and did not seem the least bit intelligent on any field of study when I looked over his past posts.
    There was nothing wrong with what Fr_Chuck said. The problem is between your chair and your Keyboard. You're taking crazy pills. Stop it. Life will get better when you do.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 12:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
    And no one of any higher social status would ever do that. Chewing ( and spitting) is a lower culture habit.
    Fr_Chuck, I would appreciate any articles or studies you read on this topic because I do not believe these are true statements. I know many people who chew tobacco that are of the higher social status and saying it is a lower culture habit does not make sense. Unless you just made it up.

    You also chimed in with:
    Quote Originally Posted by fr_chuck
    Your error is trying to decide and know everything, yourself, and not trusting the doctors.
    I never once said I did not trust any doctor so I am not sure where you are getting that information. I also never said anything about deciding and knowing everything myself, just that I try to research any medical issue or other issues I might be having which is completely normal. I go to a doctor when I have a medical issue every time and follow their advice. If their advice does not work I see another doctor or update the first doctor on what is going on to try and fix my problem. I do not see how you translated me going to see a doctor and the doctor telling me he did not understand what was wrong with me to me not trusting the doctor. The doctor did not even give me a diagnosis to trust or not.

    I do not appreciate your habit of belittling others over the internet behind a computer screen because it shows signs of insecurity and social anxiety.

    I wrote part of my post as an experiment to see the reactions I would receive. By belittling others in my post I wanted to see if anyone would be offended as I was when I was given a degrading answer to a prior post. Turns out I was right:

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy
    You don't go on the internet....ask random people, who you aren't paying a dime to....then deride and belittle them because you didn't get the answers you wanted the way you wanted them.
    Well isn't that ironic. That is basically saying that if someone is a bully and you call them mean you are in the wrong as well. I was not belittling anybody in an egregious nature, but rather explaining how their answers are portrayed.

    Quote Originally Posted by CravenMorhead
    If you ask for advice than you're going to get it and you're going to get advice and answers for questions you're not asking. Maybe you don't know you should be asking the question or whatever doesn't really matter. It REALLY shows that you're only 19. You believe you're smarter than everyone and know more than everyone. You'll grow out of it, but to speed up the process please realize that you know precious little, and you have a lot to learn.
    True, I am 19. This does not make my opinions any less credible than someone who is of older age. I believe I am very mature and intelligent for my age and find it insulting that my stance on anything can hold less importance than anyone else based on that fact. I started a business at age 17 and though I was not able to take a salary because all of the money was being put into the business, I am now able to take out a salary of $170,000/year. Why do I say this? Because in my industry there is rarely someone under 30 years old with the title of being an owner of their business. Does this mean that businesses I work with or employees I hire take me less seriously or treat me with any less respect than other companies? No, not at all. Though this is not a completely pertinent example, it does have a relation to what I am saying. Age is only a number. Yes, immaturity and ignorance is more prevalent at a younger age, but this is not always the case. I know of many adults in various age groups who I would describe as immature or ignorant. Just because someone ages in years does not mean they have aged in maturity or intelligence.

    I believe there is always room to grow and better yourself. I am not just a 19 year old snobby kid who found his way onto a website who has no idea about anything. You mention ignorance and I do believe there are certain aspects in different fields of knowledge that I am ignorant about, but I do know that I am correct in saying that there is an abundance of answers to questions which are not appropriate.

    Quote Originally Posted by CravenMorhead
    One of the problems with chewing is that it will change the fundamental chemistry and biology of your mouth. This will cause sores. It is symptomatic of chewing. So if you want to get rid of the sores and not get them again than stop chewing. Simple as that. So now you have a choice, either continue to commit suicide one mouthful at a time or quit.
    I do not chew tobacco, I was using that as an example because I had just read a question and answer thread regarding that topic. The answers did not help the person asking his/her question and probably just made them feel a lot worse about themselves. HOWEVER, if I did chew tobacco and asked a question about a lesion or sore in my mouth, I would expect to receive beneficial specific information related to the questions details. An ignorant person would post a question about chewing tobacco when they do not know its effects and consequences.

    If someone posts a question such as: "Hey I have a sore in my mouth and chew tobacco, could this be cancer?" then they shouldn't have posted the question. Clearly it could be cancer because any sore in someone's mouth "could be" per say. Likewise, they should expect to receive no beneficial answers. If the question was "I have a sore in my mouth and chew tobacco, could this be cancerous?" and provided details such as the size and coloration along with the history of their use of chewing tobacco along with where it is in their mouth and the changing of size or pain of this sore, then they should receive some proper guidance. Obviously not a 100% correct diagnosis because that can be only done by visiting a doctor's office, but they can at least get a head start on what to think.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 01:08 PM
    "Per say" is really "per se," a Latin phrase meaning "in itself." ...just to add to your fund of enormous 19-year-old knowledge.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 01:49 PM
    Let's put this in a nutshell.

    Getting info online can be helpful. If you spill ketchup on your shirt and want to know how to get the stain out, you'll find hundreds of people with advice on how to do it, and many of them will be right. Others won't. Like anything online, it's then up to you to decide which advice to take, and which to ignore.

    You're posting as much info as possible, all based on your point of view, about a medical issue. There's no way for anyone online, not even a doctor, to give you a diagnosis, or treatment based on what you post. No doctor would. They'd be risking their medical degree.

    In other words, when you post online, you get best guesses when it comes to things that don't have a black and white answer. If your own doctor can't figure out what's wrong, why would you think people online would?

    We're all volunteers here. We give up our time to do our best to help people. When it comes to medical issues, there's no one on this site, or any other, that can diagnose or treat. There are people that will tell you similar things they went through, their diagnosis, and their treatment. If you choose to follow that diagnosis and treatment you're a fool. But again, it's up to you to pick which advice to follow, and which advice to ignore, and it's all at your own risk, and there is a great deal of risk when looking for a diagnosis and treatment online.

    In other words, you're expecting way more from Q & A sites than anyone can offer.

    So yes, you are taking crazy pills based on what you believe you should be getting from an online site.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 02:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Alty View Post
    Let's put this in a nutshell....

    You're posting as much info as possible, all based on your point of view, about a medical issue. There's no way for anyone online, not even a doctor, to give you a diagnosis, or treatment based on what you post. No doctor would. They'd be risking their medical degree....

    In other words, when you post online, you get best guesses when it comes to things that don't have a black and white answer. If your own doctor can't figure out what's wrong, why would you think people online would? ...

    In other words, you're expecting way more from Q & A sites than anyone can offer.

    So yes, you are taking crazy pills based on what you believe you should be getting from an online site.
    This will be the last time I try and explain my point. I feel like nobody actually reads the words I type and there is this crazy system out there that translates my text. I stated that I know there is no way for a diagnosis over the internet. I also said that I realize nobody can give me the exact answer I want. You said that I can only expect everyone's best guesses. That is all I asked for. I asked for anyone's best guess. I even said that sometimes when you go in and see a doctor they won't be able to give you a sure answer.

    You then said that I think people online would be able to figure out what my doctor couldn't. I most certainly do not think that and have clearly said that. I specifically asked for anyone's opinions or general thoughts pertaining to my situation. If someone reads my post and has no idea or guesses to what is wrong, then they shouldn't answer it.

    When you were in class at a young age and the teacher asked a question and you didn't know the answer would you raise your hand? Example: Teacher asks what is 3+5? Would you raise your hand and say "Well that's a stupid question."? You might think you know the answer and raise your hand to give your best guess (which is what I asked for). Or you know the answer because you learned how to perform addition.

    If I asked a question about a lump and someone said well I had a lump there and it reminds of yours and this is what I found out it was, that would be great. Or if someone says I thought I had the same thing you thought you had and it turned out to be "this". Those are the answers I would expect. If nobody has any idea of what it could be or any knowledge about the situation then my post should have 0 comments. I would be more pleased to see no answers rather than several bad comments that stray from the point.

    According to you I should only expect anyone's best guesses which is what I do expect. But then you say that I am taking crazy pills for thinking the same way you do. I am honestly confused as to what posts of mine everyone is reading when they answer because it is as if they are reading every other sentence.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 02:30 PM
    In prior situations I have gone to a doctor and they diagnosed my problem incorrectly. I researched online and tried to pin point any similarities between my situation and other people's situation. I went back to the doctor and he did his examination and I asked him if it could possibly be what I believed it to be after I did my research. He then said it was possible and eventually we figured out that I was right.

    He changed the treatment and my problem was solved. This is the type of advice I would appreciate. I am not asking someone to play doctor over the internet. I am not asking for someone to give me a treatment to solve my problem. I always go to the doctor and if my issue isn't resolved I keep going back or change doctors until it is. I am not looking for a substitute for a doctor's office. The main reason people ask for advice online or opinions is because their doctor does not have the time to research and fully commit his time to every patient's case in depth. I don't think that when I go to a doctor that he/she spends hours after the appointment trying to get to the bottom of the issue. I am simply asking for anything that would help me out. Not belittling comments, not snide remarks, and certainly not off-topic thoughts.

    It is mind-blowing to me that nobody else thinks the same way as I do. I must be crazy to think that other people can help other people out without disrespecting them. I guess I am asking for too much.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 02:32 PM
    Do you have verbal diarhhea or what? And nothing better to do with your time telling us how bad we are at what we do here?

    You actually got two qualified answers, one from AntC and myself, mine is post no. 8

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/mens-h...-798636-2.html
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    Aug 8, 2014, 02:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    Do you have verbal diarhhea or what? And nothing better to do with your time telling us how bad we are at what we do here?

    You actually got two qualified answers, one from AntC and myself, mine is post no. 8

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/mens-h...-798636-2.html
    Thank you for your answer on my first post, that did help me research additional information. AntC's response also helped a lot, I appreciate that.

    I was not referring to those answers, as I stated above I was focusing on posts in general all over the internet. Not this forum specifically. I never said that you are bad at what you do here. I did say that disrespectful remarks aren't necessary when answering a question online.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 02:50 PM
    I would like to add that you are new here. You haven't a clue who we are or what we are about. You came here to seek advice from strangers who volunteer their free time to help others, yet you are so very disrespectful and crass.

    I guess you found out the wrong way that we are a close knit community who will stand up for its members and not sit quietly when some n00b comes here simply to purposely cause a disruption. It's not a way to earn friends and influence people. While you may own your own business and make upwards of $100,000 per year, you are still wet behind the ears.

    Its quite apparent your parents never taught you manners.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 03:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jjohnson4 View Post



    Well isn't that ironic. That is basically saying that if someone is a bully and you call them mean you are in the wrong as well. I was not belittling anybody in an egregious nature, but rather explaining how their answers are portrayed.



    Um... No, thats not what I said, and I think you know it. You are complaining and belittling people because YOU alone do not like the answer you got. You aren't explaining them how they are portrayed... because you almost uniquely are seeing them that way... and that makes all the differnce.

    The rest of us DO see it that way... And sorry, your parents might have raised you as the center of their world... but here you are in the real world.. and you aren't the center of ours and if your responses and viewponts are NOT the norm, we will call you or anyone else out on it.

    At 19 you clearly lack the real world experience to grasp this... being a 19 year old guy only makes that doubly so. If you are a 19 year old guy still living with your parents, make that triple so. In a few more years when you get the testosterone thing under control... this will make a lot more sense to you. And you will see the same thing among most guys of your current age group, it IS that common, and it is that obvious. I'm speaking as a guy... one that remembers being your age vividly, and I might have even had a bigger testosterone fueled attitue at 19 myself. And as been pointed out....its going to get you into a LOT of trouble if you don't get it into check soon. Word to the wize, one guy to another...from someone who has been there.
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    Aug 8, 2014, 03:45 PM
    Of course you are taking crazy pills. Most trolls do!!!!!
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    Aug 8, 2014, 03:48 PM
    I'm still shaking my head at this punk's PM to me. I don't think he's taking crazy pills. Mi think he was born that way. I must say I'm even more proud of the way I've raised my children now.

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