[smoothy]

When job growth numbers are lower than the population growth... its actually still a negative number, calling it a positive is spinning it. Because the net number will still be fewer and fewer people with jobs. It would have to EXCEDE the population growth to truly be a positive number.

It certainly IS a glass half epty situation when the water is leaking out of the bottom faster than you can pour it in.

[talaniman]

Tell your congressman to invest in jobs projects and not just hand over loot to job creators who ain't creating jobs. Makes no sense to give a rich guy tax free land, build him a road and parking lot and he uses workers who need welfare, to sell stuff his out of country third world workers to make while he rakes in billions, that he hides in some other country.

At least make those fat rich guys build a roads, fix bridges.

[tomder55]

as has already been pointed out , people who have stopped looking for work are not counted in the unemployment figures..... nor have we ever seen the job growth exceed the replacement rate. In reality we need 545,551 jobs created per month just to maintain the real unemployment rate ....something we have not come close to during the so called ObamaRecovery .

[smoothy]

Tell your congressman to invest in jobs projects and not just hand over loot to job creators who ain't creating jobs. Makes no sense to give a rich guy tax free land, build him a road and parking lot and he uses workers who need welfare, to sell stuff his out of country third world workers to make while he rakes in billions, that he hides in some other country.

At least make those fat rich guys build a roads, fix bridges.

Give it to a rich man he invests it and creates value... give it to a welfare bum and they waste it on drugs, hookers and booze. Nothing of value is created.

[Wondergirl]

Give it to a rich man he invests it and creates value... give it to a welfare bum and they waste it on drugs, hookers and booze. Nothing of value is created.

He creates value only for himself. And not everyone receiving welfare is a bum.

[smoothy]

He creates value only for himself. And not everyone receiving welfare is a bum.

How many welfare recipients own businesses that hire people and create jobs?

How many rich people... except the Kennedy's and a few others... DON'T own businesses that hire people and create jobs?

[NeedKarma]

How many welfare recipients own businesses that hire people and create jobs?

I guess it would be nice if life were as simple as you attempt to make it, but it isn't, neither are the solutions to problems. When you view everything in a binary way (black/white, right/wrong) you end up where you are: hatred for a large part of the your fellow humans since only a very small percentage fit into your "acceptable' mold.

[Catsmine]

How many rich people... except the Kennedy's and a few others... DON'T own businesses that hire people and create jobs?

Look at the White House guest list and the Democrat donors list for the answer to this question. The stereotype of the rich guy that only hoards his wealth and stole it in the first place is drawn from the LEFT.

[NeedKarma]

The stereotype of the rich guy that only hoards his wealth and stole it in the first place is drawn from the LEFT.

If you think that what 50% of americans think then you live in a dream world.

[Wondergirl]

How many welfare recipients own businesses that hire people and create jobs?

And create as few low-paying jobs as they get away with.

[smoothy]

And create as few low-paying jobs as they get away with.

If those jobs were underpaid... they would find nobody willing to work for them. If these "low paid people" had any talent, why don't they start their own businesses, AND pay higher than market rate wages? THe answer it they can't....they don't have the skills, and if they did, they would be out of business within the month.

A high school dropout with ZERO specific job skills is simply not worth $40,000 a year in any world.

Any job you could train almost any person you pulled off the street to do in 10 minuites time... isn't worth much in the way of pay, because they don't offer a value worth the money.

[NeedKarma]

If those jobs were underpaid... they would find nobody willing to work for them.

Correct... in America. See "Mitt Romney"

[smoothy]

Correct... in America. See "Mitt Romney"

It's correct anywhere... would you work for one place (assuming its not a family business and you aren't their kid) if another business down the street would pay you more to do the same job? Darn right you would leave... and so would everyone else. Result... no employees. That's how the free market works. Thats how you climb the ladder.

[NeedKarma]

It's correct anywhere.

Wrong. See Ethiopia, India, China, etc...

[smoothy]

Wrong. See Ethiopia, India, China, etc...

So... they are actually slaves forced to work at gunpoint there? Or are there just far more unskilled workers there than availible jobs because they breed like rabbits? THat means there are plenty of job opportunities there for all the poor people to create all these good paying jobs we keep hearing about the poor creating. Why aren't they doing it?

[paraclete]

smoothy you know the poor would like to create jobs, but they have a big drawback and it isn't related to skill, it is related to capital. Without capital even the skilled among them can't get off the ground. Let's take the example of a friend of mine, a trained horticulturist, you would expect there might be jobs for such as he, but very few, so what does he need to get started ~ he needs land, sheds, pots, in other words, he has skill but requires capital. He can make a few dollars from a backyard operation but beyond that............. he gets plenty of offers from people who want him to grow the wrong thing

[smoothy]

smoothy you know the poor would like to create jobs, but they have a big drawback and it isn't related to skill, it is related to capital. Without capital even the skilled among them can't get off the ground. Let's take the example of a friend of mine, a trained horticulturist, you would expect there might be jobs for such as he, but very few, so what does he need to get started ~ he needs land, sheds, pots, in other words, he has skill but requires capital. He can make a few dollars from a backyard operation but beyond that............. he gets plenty of offers from people who want him to grow the wrong thing

But that's not what the left claims... they say the rich don't create any jobs, the poor do... they can't have it both ways...

[paraclete]

different theory, the poor "create" jobs because they spend their entire income, however the effect is somewhat indirect as work isn't necessarily created where it is needed. The 1% create jobs by investing but when you can get better returns by investing in stocks why would you risk startup capital. I don't believe wages are a real barrier, it is regulation that restricts investment

[smoothy]

different theory, the poor "create" jobs because they spend their entire income, however the effect is somewhat indirect as work isn't necessarily created where it is needed. The 1% create jobs by investing but when you can get better returns by investing in stocks why would you risk startup capital. I don't believe wages are a real barrier, it is regulation that restricts investment

Its not the 1% that invest... but most people that are working towards a retirement. With us in the USA its called the 401K plan... your employer matches what you put into it up to a certain limit. THe best returns are in stocks or funds that diversify in the stock market. THose are prtable tot eh mext employers plan.

Very few employers still have defined pension plans.

[talaniman]

The retirement myth – 1 out of 3 Americans has no savings or retirement account. Half of Americans have $2,000 or less in their retirement account. 401k new name for Wall Street grease.