[paraclete]

well it's a possibility, saturated growing environments, but more than that carbon is useful, sometimes the way it is used is highly polluting, like refining silicon surely we can find a way to use the gas instead of the raw element, or as an additive to steel. the steel industry was revolutionised by oxygen lancing why not carbon dioxide lancing. We are too set in our thought patterns, looking for incremental solutions, bound up in a science which is actually repeating what we have already done. If we can make ships out of steel we can make ships out of carbon and then......................

[talaniman]

What Are the Uses of Carbon Dioxide Gas? | eHow

[talaniman]

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/coals...-chapter-2.pdf

[paraclete]

yes tal done the research looking to go beyond

[earl237]

I'm an environmentalist too, but I find the mindless, knee-jerk opposition by extremists to the pipeline is embarrassing, and will cause reasonable environmentalists to not be taken seriously in the future. Pipelines are not perfect, but are much safer than shipping oil by rail, look at the disaster in Quebec. I'm mad at Obama for leaving Canada hanging like this, I wish Canada could retaliate with some kind of sanctions, but that won't happen.

[tomder55]

earl ,pipe it to Vancouver and hope the next American adm don't have their heads up their arse . The emperor has back stabbed most American allies . You should not be surprised that he does it to Canada too.

[paraclete]

Yes why not take the shorter route to the west coast obviously america doesn't need another pipeline

[tomder55]

The emperor decided to delay the Keystone decision until after the elections ... they are cheering in the Kremlin.

[paraclete]

don't see the problem here, there already is a pipeline that runs all the way from Canada to the gulf, augmenting it shouldn't cause a problem. the route includes other pipelines, either you want the business or you don't

[talaniman]

Actually Tom it was a judge that held up the works.

Keystone Decision Delayed by U.S. Over Nebraska Court Case (1) - Businessweek

The pipeline's path in Nebraska, one of three states the northern leg of Keystone would cross, was thrown into doubt in February when a state judge invalidated legislation that let the Republican governor approve the path. The judge said that only the state Public Service Commission -- an agency created to take politics out of decisions involving the taking of land for private projects -- had that power. His decision has been appealed to the Nebraska Supreme Court.

[tomder55]

actually this has nothing to do with the court and everything to do with mid-term elections . The emperor of course will use any excuse because he has a divided constituency on this ....The enviro-wackos want it stopped at all cost ,and his union constituency want it approved because of the jobs. He has delayed a decision for over 5 years now ,so to say some court case is the cause for the delay is a ruse .

[paraclete]

Tom there is no hurry you have all the time in the world, afterall if that do nothing congress couldn't get it done, nobody will. Meanwhile you keep the oil on the american continent, you might need it

[tomder55]

I believe that commerce creates jobs. Although I love the idea of complete energy independence ,I also think being an energy exporter would help remedy the trade imbalance. Geopolitically ,I think it's critical to end the energy dominance of the ME nations ,Russia ,and other various despots .

[paraclete]

look you go for independence and let them serve the Chinese market, the smog will eventually bury them, just a twist on the Marxist maxim, we will sell the last communist the oil to drown himself, just not our oil

[talaniman]

For guys who holler states rights you sure get pissed when a state exercises its right. Funny how you want the Emperor to circumvent the decisions of Nebraska.

[tomder55]

I never holler 'states rights' .States don't have rights ;people do. States have powers. The Federal Government has limited enumerated powers ;and the States are prohibited from exercising some powers . ALL the rest are designated to the States by the Constitution. btw ,what part of the Article 1 Sec 8 clause 3 don't you understand ? The Constitution gives Congress the power to (regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, ..... ). For once the Commerce clause will be properly employed by the Feds. But I agree that powerful special interests support the anti-pipeline coalition . I expect unfortunately that Keystone will be another issue decided by the Imperial SCOTUS .

[talaniman]

LOL, and there are no special interest groups fighting for Keystone? The governor tried an end run around state law in Nebraska, and lost and the appeal process is the next lawful step. TransCanada hasn't even said they would sell any oil to the US.

And states do have rights, the right to use their powers in their own interest. Will it go to the Supreme court? Not likely this year.

[tomder55]

Will it go to the Supreme court? Not likely this year.

Not this year .Their docket is full. So the emperor gets his way again.. Doing well by doing nothing . If it fractures his coalition ,it aint his problem either since he really doesn't care who runs Congress ,and he doesn't really care who the next POTUS is.

[talaniman]

I wouldn't worry about the democratic coalition when there are bigger fish to fry. This is but one issue to be debated and resolved. You won't hear Keystone as much as you will hear Benghazi, and even louder more repeal of the ACA this summer.

[tomder55]

If I were the Dems I would . The emperor put a knife in the back of the coalition with the Keystone delay ,and the upcoming Cadillac Tax in Obamacare . The private unions are ripe for the picking of any conservative candidate who can reforge the Reagan coalition.