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Oct 28, 2013, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Far left cartoonist Ted Rall is showing his racist stripes again.
Of course he's right about that part but you can't say that, you can't criticize a black president without being a racist.
It depends on how you use the term and in what context. People often demonstrates themselves to be idiots in lots of different ways.
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Oct 28, 2013, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuttyd
It depends on how you use the term and in what context.
Not if you're a conservative.
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Oct 28, 2013, 03:01 PM
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Breaking News
Federal judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional
Federal judge: Texas abortion limits unconstitutional
A federal judge says that Texas' abortion restrictions violate the rights of abortion doctors to do what they think is best for their patients.
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Oct 28, 2013, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuttyd
It depends on how you use the term and in what context. People often demonstrates themselves to be idiots in lots of different ways.
Yes, we have observed high incidence of this phenominom
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Oct 28, 2013, 04:29 PM
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Judge Yeakel must think that a law that sets standards for fetal slaughterhouses the same as required for other medical clinics is unconstitutional .Obviously abortionists working in rat infested sub standard facilities are looking after the best interests of their patients. You see ;abortionist's rights to wack babies are constitutionally protected... but Christian hospital's 1st amendment rights are subject to the whim of the emperor.
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Oct 28, 2013, 05:45 PM
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Tom you can be sure your founders didn't consider the likelihood that abortion would become endemic, but we can be certain they would have thought the practice abhorrent. How then can permitting abortion be considered constitutional. Only because there is no specific mention of either permission or prohibition. Surely it is time to allow common sense to prevail. It is a great pity some people weren't aborted
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Oct 28, 2013, 06:17 PM
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The founders in the Declaration spoke of the right to life. They also in the 5th Amendment made it clear that life could not be taken legally without due process .The 14th amendment expanded the due process clause to states . William Blackstone, the British legal scholar, wrote in 'Commentaries on the Laws of England' that life is a “right” that “is inherent by nature in every individual, and exists even before the child is born.” Blackstone's work was well known by the founders when they wrote the Constitution.
Where is the due process in abortions ? Are we to believe that due process is satisfied because a mother deems it so ? If that's the case then why would the woman who gave birth and stuffed her child in a shopping bag ;and continued shopping at Victoria's Secret come under criminal investigation ? (she was caught because she was shop lifting . )
So what we had before Roe v Wade was a clear case for the right to life in at least 2 of the amendments... as opposed to a vague implied 'right to privacy that was granted by judicial fiat and was founded in the in the "penumbras" and "emanations" of other constitutional protections.In other words ,the justices twisted the words of the constitution to make it legal to kill babies.
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Oct 28, 2013, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
The founders in the Declaration spoke of the right to life.
The founders didn't even count women and blacks as human, so why would they have thought about unborn babies? Only landed white gentlemen had rights.
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Oct 28, 2013, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The founders didn't even count women and blacks as human, so why would they have thought about unborn babies? Only landed white gentlemen had rights.
Ah such were the days of the enlightenment and yet their every though is sacrosanct
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Welbeing Expert
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Oct 28, 2013, 09:49 PM
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America needs a capable person to be president! Doesn't matter if the President is male, female, older, younger, white, black, yellow, so on and so forth...
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Oct 29, 2013, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Enigma1999
America needs a capable person to be president! Doesn't matter if the President is male, female, older, younger, white, black, yellow, so on and so forth...
Given the size of the population there should be many aspirants, however the political system ensures that only those who can raise megabucks have a chance. You would think that skill would translate into a useful management skill for the country, but no, the politics of division reigns. Certain people are excluded which lowers the pool to those with access to old money
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Oct 29, 2013, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The founders didn't even count women and blacks as human, so why would they have thought about unborn babies? Only landed white gentlemen had rights.
More distortions about the founders . It's all well and good to apply 21st century norms to the 18th century, but it falls flat on examination. The idea of universal suffrage for all propertied men was extremely radical. At the time of the founding, America was the most egalitarian country in the world.And they put together a governing system that planted the seeds for all the reforms that came later .
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Oct 29, 2013, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
More distortions about the founders . It's all well and good to apply 21st century norms to the 18th century, but it falls flat on examination. The idea of universal suffrage for all propertied men was extremely radical. At the time of the founding, America was the most egalitarian country in the world.And they put together a governing system that planted the seeds for all the reforms that came later .
Yes unfortunately some of those seeds fell on fallow ground, the abolution of slavery for example, the US had to be dragged kicking and screeming to that table, equality was another aspiration that fell on fallow ground, it took two hundred years for those seeds to sprout and you don't have a full crop yet. Yes universal suffrage for all men is still opposed for some within your borders, it is still a radical idea among men of property
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Oct 29, 2013, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Yes unfortunately some of those seeds fell on fallow ground, the abolution of slavery for example, the US had to be dragged kicking and screeming to that table, equality was another aspiration that fell on fallow ground, it took two hundred years for those seeds to sprout and you don't have a full crop yet. Yes universal suffrage for all men is still opposed for some within your borders, it is still a radical idea among men of property
Look inward before you criticize us . You are as racist as anyone on this site .
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Oct 29, 2013, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Yes unfortunately some of those seeds fell on fallow ground, the abolution of slavery for example, the US had to be dragged kicking and screeming to that table, equality was another aspiration that fell on fallow ground, it took two hundred years for those seeds to sprout and you don't have a full crop yet. Yes universal suffrage for all men is still opposed for some within your borders, it is still a radical idea among men of property
More lies . Every leading Founder acknowledged that slavery was wrong. Slavery was legal and practiced in every state in 1776; by the end of the founding era, more than a hundred thousand slaves had been freed by the outlawing of slavery in seven of the original thirteen states or by individual acts of manumission, especially in the South. Within a generation ,the nation was at war to free the slaves .The groundwork for the eventual total abolition of slavery was laid in establishment of the equality principle .
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Oct 29, 2013, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
More lies . Every leading Founder acknowledged that slavery was wrong. Slavery was legal and practiced in every state in 1776; by the end of the founding era, more than a hundred thousand slaves had been freed by the outlawing of slavery in seven of the original thirteen states or by individual acts of manumission, especially in the South. Within a generation ,the nation was at war to free the slaves .The groundwork for the eventual total abolition of slavery was laid in establishment of the equality principle .
That was a damn long generation, yes there were skermishes but real war didn't happen until 90 years later, by my reckoning that's four generations but maybe they were a bit slow then and didn't marry until forty, nevertheless, a long, long, time for those in chains. Acknowledging slavery was wrong and freeing the slaves was something entirely different, a matter of conscious perhaps. The same sort of conscious that doesn't make your trickle down economics work today
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Oct 29, 2013, 05:35 AM
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Again ,look inward . The life of a slave on an Australian sugar plantation was little different from that on the American cotton plantations. Brutality and deprivation were the daily ritual . Slavery didn't end on your continent until the beginning of the 20th century . And you came kicking and screaming under pressure from the Brits.
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Oct 29, 2013, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Look inward before you criticize us . You are as racist as anyone on this site .
Racist, well I'll have to let my abo's go loose, goose, then won't I. Racist because I don't want my country overrun by middle eastern and south asian yobboos, because I don't want the same conditions you enjoy to arise here. Because I don't want an underclass. Declare your hispanics citizens and then speak to me of racism. When I look at Obama I don't see a black man, can you say the same?
It is not racist to be anti-muslim, anti-terrorist and anti-bullshiite. We, in this country, are fed to the teeth with multi-culturism, an idea completely foreign and imported from northern climes who now wish they had never thought of it. Our original inhabitants are unimpressed with boat people, discuss racism with them
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Oct 29, 2013, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Don't tell me, it's a racist law.
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Oct 29, 2013, 05:50 AM
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Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh... It's a non existent victory in the non existent war on women...
non existent excon
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