[J_9]

You speak in a vacuum like everything was hunky dory before. .

Actually, you are speaking from a vacuum. You are on the outside. Reading bills and the propaganda put out by the liberal media. I'm speaking from the front lines. The actual practice of medicine. I know the "behind the scenes" that is going on.

No, everything was not hunky dory before, but it was a far cry better than it is going to be next year at this time.

[NeedKarma]

You wanted canadian style healthcare and now your getting it.

Uh no, it's not at all like our system. Just wanted to make that clear.

[tomder55]

I think it is important testimonial that we are hearing from health care providers . But the left is ideologically wed to a state run socialized health care system... I've heard it on these boards ;I heard it from more than one elected official ,including right out of the mouth of my representative... and they are more that willing to destroy ours to get us there.
Listen to Tal .He says "Medicare for all."
J 9 . What would happen if the whole nation were to be thrust into the Medicare system now ? My own observation is that more than one doctor refuses to take on Medicare patients.

[paraclete]

Listen to Tal .He says "Medicare for all."
J 9 . What would happen if the whole nation were to be thrust into the Medicare system now ? My own observation is that more than one doctor refuses to take on Medicare patients.

You really do have a small imagination, don't you

[tomder55]

No a realistic one not clouded with progressive utopian visions.

[NeedKarma]

progressive utopian visions

statements like that make it hard to have a discussion.

[cdad]

statements like that make it hard to have a discussion.

That is because it is true.

[tomder55]

The thing is that here in NY ,we have been subject to a version of the Obamacare mandates for years (MarioCare ); which means we've been inflicted with the high costs that the rest of the country is about to experience.

[NeedKarma]

The right wing utopian vision is pure free market capitalism and that would be a disaster.

[paraclete]

Don't you realise that is what you are experiencing, capitalism gone mad. Your government pours money into the economy so it can be gambled on wall street, creating a share bubble, and now they say they can't stop. Very soon you are going to disappear up your own fundamental orrifice taking the rest of us with you

[cdad]

Don't you realise that is what you are experiencing, capitalism gone mad. your government pours money into the economy so it can be gambled on wall street, creating a share bubble, and now they say they can't stop. Very soon you are going to disappear up your own fundamental orrifice taking the rest of us with you

It is not capitolism gone mad. Its cronyism at its extreme. The current administration claims to be disconnected from everything when in fact he is stealing millions from the economy for his personal friends. He started misusing funds the day he took office and has made sure that the economy never recovers. Until he is gone we will be locked into permanent recession.

[talaniman]

Obviously 51% of the voters don't agree with you, or else he would have been gone in the 2012 election.

[NeedKarma]

Its cronyism at its extreme.

Totally agree. That and greed. Since the US has set being wealthy as the ultimate goal then you get what you currently have, politicians out to enrich themselves. And who can give then the most money? Companies of course. Until this can be fixed I see no end in sight to your troubles.

Also the Current Events board is a great example of the divisiveness that you've been played into. No one cares about doing something good for the american people, they only want to bring down the other party. Good luck!

[cdad]

Obviously 51% of the voters don't agree with you, or else he would have been gone in the 2012 election.

That wouldn't be the same ones that don't seem to want to be involved in the rocess only vote for someone that tells them what they want to hear without paying attention to what is really going on? The media did its job of creating a messiah and many fell for it. Honestly most of the voters do not have 1/2 of the knowlage that we here do during our discussions nor do they want to. So long as the checks and phones keep coming they will vote them in time and time again.

[cdad]

Also the Current Events board is a great example of the divisiveness that you've been played into. No one cares about doing something good for the american people, they only want to bring down the other party. Good luck!

There are many that truly do care about what's best for the American people. The problem here as well as in other places is the philosophy that goes with the decision making. The main thrust being one wants to care for a persons need by stealing from everyone else and the other side wants to try to create selfsufficiant people that can stand on their own. There is plenty of room for safety nets. Many of us believe that you enslave the people when you give them everything rather then free the people by teaching them the needed skills to live the life they choose.

[excon]

Hello dad:

So long as the checks and phones keep coming they will vote them in time and time again.

Skip to today. The government is going to be shut down. . BOTH Republicans AND Democrats think a WIN here will result in BIG gains in 2014.

So, do you think the Republicans will WIN the Senate as THEY think think they will?? Or, do you think the Democrats will take over the House, as THEY think, they will?

Excon

[tomder55]

Don't you realise that is what you are experiencing, capitalism gone mad. Your government pours money into the economy so it can be gambled on wall street, creating a share bubble, and now they say they can't stop. Very soon you are going to disappear up your own fundamental orrifice taking the rest of us with you

Crony socialism gone mad... what you describe is not capitalism... therein lies the problem.

[cdad]

Hello dad:
Skip to today. The government is going to be shut down. . BOTH Republicans AND Democrats think a WIN here will result in BIG gains in 2014.

So, do you think the Republicans will WIN the Senate as THEY think think they will??? Or, do you think the Democrats will take over the House, as THEY think, they will?

excon

My pridiction is that it will be more of the same. It is beyond me when the people keep re-electing the idiots over and over again and expect a different outcome. We truly need a turnover of high magnitude to change things and break the entrenchment process that we see today. It was never meant for a politician to be a lifetime position. Throw them all out in a voter inspired ctrl/alt/delete.

[tomder55]

Hello dad:
Skip to today. The government is going to be shut down. . BOTH Republicans AND Democrats think a WIN here will result in BIG gains in 2014.

So, do you think the Republicans will WIN the Senate as THEY think think they will??? Or, do you think the Democrats will take over the House, as THEY think, they will?

excon

What difference will it make if a majority of beltway Repubics win in the Senate? They are Democrat-lite .

[talaniman]

That wouldnt be the same ones that dont seem to want to be involved in the rocess only vote for someone that tells them what they want to hear without paying attention to what is really going on? The media did its job of creating a messiah and many fell for it. Honestly most of the voters do not have 1/2 of the knowlage that we here do during our discussions nor do they want to. So long as the checks and phones keep coming they will vote them in time and time again.

I could say the same thing about the TParty distortions and there stated goals to destroy the government and let the rich guys do as they please. I can dig the fear of losing control of YOUR government as it more, and more, becomes our government.

By our I do mean ALL Americans, not just the chosen, lucky few.