[paraclete]

Tal prices are always rising and standards are falling, it goes on until the system is reinvented.

Change was needed, but this much change might be a bad thing initially, then the insurance companies will sort out their products and you can expect the usual set of exclusions. The fault in this system is linking coverage to employment so that there is a third party in the negotiations

[tomder55]

the fault in this system is linking coverage to employment so that there is a third party in the negotiations

Yes ;it would be much better if an individual had the right to negotiate their own plan with any provider offering services . It would also be better if there weren't so many mandated coverages.

[paraclete]

Yes ;it would be much better if an individual had the right to negotiate their own plan with any provider offering services . It would also be better if there weren't so many mandated coverages.

Well Tom at last we agree on something

[speechlesstx]

But tom, those mandated coverages are FREE according to Democrats.

[speechlesstx]

This is just one of those days full of stuff you just can't make up. The owner of Zerocare said in Mexico that "the 85 to 90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance" are "already experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act — even if they don’t know it.” Of course that's just another is a lie.

Now we have Harry Reid yammering about needing more money to stop the "train wreck". If only those darn Republicans hadn't been preventing him from getting more money in the budget, said the guy that refused to pass a budget for 3 years

I'm thinking once Americans REALLY see the "benefits" of Zerocare next year we're going to see a GOP landslide in the election.

[talaniman]

Its got to be better than the last two decade of rising costs of premiums and services. And throwing people out after they get sick, and refused treatment for serious illness. I mean geez guy, people are getting screwed and dying and you say go back to that when a path forward is just over the hill?

You blame Obama Care, and give a free pass to the industry that got us where we are. Is that why your side can only throws rocks because you cannot deal with hard facts and evidence? That makes YOU the problem and not government.

[smearcase]

From yammering:
“The president is taking money — I wish we had the money just to do this on its own, but he’s agreed, he’s determined he’s going to take money from some of the other things that he feels are less important in the healthcare bill and put it on letting you and others know what’s in the bill,” Reid told a caller to the show.
Still trying to find out what's in the bill?
Wonder if Nancy was the caller?

[paraclete]

Still trying to find out what's in the bill?
?

What's the problem don't you have any money for paper or an electronic copy you can read?

Perhaps the money should be invested in lifting the literacy rate for politicians or is it so heavy you need a truck to carry it away

[talaniman]

Its been online for the last 2 years.

[paraclete]

Its been online for the last 2 years.

And they still don't know what's in it, how stupid is that?

[tomder55]

Here it is knock yourself out reading this monstrosity realizing that for every page there are scores more of written and unwritten code that supplements this pos. What we do know is that most of it's due to go into effect this autumn ;and no body knows how to properly implement it.
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/

[paraclete]

You just need more public servants implementation is what they are good at, you give each one a page

[tomder55]

It is flawed in it's premise and construct .That's why the Dem leaders that created it are now calling it a 'train wreck'

[paraclete]

That's what happens when you don't do the debate.

[tomder55]

Oh it was debated... what we did not get was a bill everyone could look at before it was voted on .What we also got was Parliamentary tricks to get it passed in the dead of night.

[speechlesstx]

Its got to be better than the last two decade of rising costs of premiums and services. And throwing people out after they get sick, and refused treatment for serious illness. I mean geez guy, people are getting screwed and dying and you say go back to that when a path forward is just over the hill?

You blame Obama Care, and give a free pass to the industry that got us where we are. Is that why your side can only throws rocks because you cannot deal with hard facts and evidence? That makes YOU the problem and not government.

You're a broken record of straw men arguments. Despising a horrific train wreck of a law doesn't mean anyone wants to go back to the stone age any more than protecting women and children from butchers like Gosnell and Carhart does.

When your president and his minions lock Republicans out of the discussion to ram this ever increasing monstrosity that no one wanted through, it leaves no possibility for other ideas to get through. It's all on Democrats so stop your whining every time something else bad about it is revealed. If you'd known what was in it BEFORE you passed it you might have a leg to stand on but you didn't and now you have to own it, like it or not.

[speechlesstx]

you just need more public servants implementation is what they are good at, you give each one a page

The IRS needs thousands of new bureacrats just to deal with Obamacare. Typical liberal solution, a health care fix that creates more tax auditors than doctors.

[talaniman]

You're a broken record of straw men arguments. Despising a horrific train wreck of a law doesn't mean anyone wants to go back to the stone age any more than protecting women and children from butchers like Gosnell and Carhart does.

Waiting for your solutions or ideas. But please no more of this champion for women stance as you have lip service but no ideas to deal with the reality of this world.

When your president and his minions lock Republicans out of the discussion to ram this ever increasing monstrosity that no one wanted through, it leaves no possibility for other ideas to get through. It's all on Democrats so stop your whining every time something else bad about it is revealed. If you'd known what was in it BEFORE you passed it you might have a leg to stand on but you didn't and now you have to own it, like it or not.

That's a lie. They negotiated until it came time for a vote, then the walked because the goal was not to govern responsibly, but slow things down and obstruct EVERYTHING. 40 votes to repeal, and NO replace?

Voters rejected Romney/Ryan's plan for us to screw our own kids and grandkids so that a fact.

[speechlesstx]

Lol, you think we're the ones paying lip service to women? We aren't the ones protecting the institution of abortion over women's health. I've already given my solutions so enough of that game, you created this culture that devalued life and family so don't blame us.

Your narrative that Republicans don't have alternative ideas is also a straw man. Try arguing from the truth.

[talaniman]

The truth is most women voted against your ideas, methods, and motivations. Yet you don't listen to anyone's ideas but your own and get rather nasty when confronted with the truth.

I can go along with more oversight on the abortion issue, as it would not be an option were I a woman, but would never force that choice on another. But you obviously want woman to have children and be barefoot, pregnant, and dependent on a man to take care of her.

Not everyone agrees with that opinion, but what's lost in your argument is all the guys who make babies don't take care of them. That's what I find wrong with you anti abortion stance because while you defend life, you don't defend it after it gets here.

That's the definition of a dead beat dad, of which you seem to be one.