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    #21

    Feb 15, 2013, 08:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I hear someone was hospitalized after eating the horse meat ....but the good news is that he's in stable condition..........and other Twitter puns :

    Tesco horse burger meat Twitter jokes and puns - Mirror Online
    I have no comment on this, I just want to thank tomber for the giggles. :)
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    #22

    Feb 15, 2013, 08:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    if someone has a palatable recipe I'd be willing to try it . The price is right .
    U.S. horses sold for $50 for food
    Tell you what Tom we kill and ship 100,0000 to Europe a year, I'm sure we could find one for you if you wanted it and it would be certified
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    #23

    Feb 16, 2013, 03:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Tell you what Tom we kill and ship 100,0000 to Europe a year, I'm sure we could find one for you if you wanted it and it would be certified
    I would ,but my doctor is concerned about my girth .
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    #24

    Feb 16, 2013, 02:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I would ,but my doctor is concerned about my girth .
    Well Tom horse is what you need 40% less fat and way more protein, would you like it with or without the bone
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    #25

    Feb 16, 2013, 02:16 PM
    Another part of this scandal, that raised a wry smile, was the discovery of PORK in halal prison food!!

    In all honesty would this discovery put you off such products or stores?
    Is it such a moral issue to eat horse flesh...
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    #26

    Feb 16, 2013, 02:35 PM
    Hi Curly

    The question isn't necessarily public health but truth in packaging. Maybe this is a scam and the loosers are the packing companies but there are people with a definite objection to horse, pork and beef and so truth in packaging becomes a moral issue for them, that is aside from the simple avoidance of deceit.

    The most famous emergence of these moral Issues was the Indian Mutiny which started the process of bringing India out of British rule so the consequences for failing to respect the religious taboos for certain people resound across the world. Who knows what jihadist will use such events as an excuse
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    #27

    Feb 16, 2013, 02:44 PM
    Interestingly enough this is being refereed to as contamination rather than mislabelling or fraud.
    As there is no public health issue surely contamination isn't the right approach...
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    #28

    Feb 16, 2013, 02:55 PM
    Contamination suggests a religious point of view unless the horse was slaughtered in a manner which makes it unfit for human consumption.

    I don't want the food I eat to contain products I don't know about and that is a legitimate view. There are things I don't wish to eat and want to exercise choice. There are many products where substitution is possible and the fast food industry and the preprepared food industry is a haven for such products
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    #29

    Feb 16, 2013, 02:56 PM
    I agree with Clete ,here the FDA calls it adulteration. But that wouldn't really accurate because it doesn't hold a health hazard... but clearly it is misbranding . Are they tracing it back to a specific manufacturing plant ? They say in the articles they've found horse DNA.. . But is it trace amts ? What I'm getting at is ;is it cutting the beef with horse meat ;or is it trace elements indicating poor GMP rather than outright fraud ?
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    #30

    Feb 17, 2013, 02:32 PM
    Yes they have traced it to specific brands and plants and even back to wholesalers and further back in the chain, the fraud took place where substitution began, this isn't just an error or a failure to clean machinery, we are talking tons of horse meat, and it emerges not just one product. So the whole chain of preprepared meals becomes suspect as does the meat packing industry in general. As I said earler Tom we slaugher 100,000 horses a year for Europe and this meat originated in Eastern Europe so who knows how many they slaughter themselves, but there is a lot of it around
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    #31

    Feb 18, 2013, 07:35 AM
    I think it's outright fraud. But if I want leaner I eat pork, no qualms about eating Porky vs. Sea Biscuit here and if you ask me, a pork cutlet makes a better chicken-fried "steak" than beef anyway.
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    #32

    Feb 18, 2013, 10:06 AM
    Horses are normally slaughtered with a nail gun, between the eyes. There can be no contamination this way, unless it is the way the carcass is bled out and dressed.
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    #33

    Feb 19, 2013, 04:40 AM
    Many believe equine testing is just the tip of the iceberg. “I am sure this will rapidly move on to other species,” said Adam Couch, chief executive of Cranswick, a meat and pastry goods supplier, which has not been implicated in the scandal.
    Horsemeat scandal draws in Nestlé - FT.com
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    #34

    Feb 19, 2013, 06:32 AM
    Well there is the possibility of contamination with Pork and that opens a whole nest of goodies
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    #35

    Feb 21, 2013, 01:41 PM
    Horsemeat actually tastes better than a lot of what passes as Beef these days (specifically the feedlot variety).

    Yes they sell Horsemeat at specialist butcher shops in Europe...

    Yes I've had it... and yes it tastes good.

    And its odd because you actually pay a premium for horsemeat in parts of Europe.
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    #36

    Feb 21, 2013, 01:58 PM
    Surely not the issue, just because it tastes good doesn't mean it is an allowable substitute for beef. If I buy a beef product I expect to get beef, although around here I sometimes think they have been killing elephants. When I buy beef I don't expect to get buffalo or horse, just as when I buy chicken I don't expect to get rabbit
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    #37

    Feb 21, 2013, 02:03 PM
    Except... horsemeat is more expensive than beef in many parts of Europe where its sold legally.

    I'd be more upset if they were selling cat as rabbit...

    And a skinned cat does look a LOT like a skinned rabbit... if the head is removed.

    Actually I think they taste like Chicken too.

    Many years ago a Chinese restaurant I used to go to with my roomates on payday got busted for selling Kung Pao Kitty... they literally got caught with cat in their freezer and got shut down during a routine health Dept Inspection.

    Who knows how long they were doing it.
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    #38

    Feb 21, 2013, 02:15 PM
    Must have a big freezer, was that a drivein restraurant but I know what you mean, it is the standing joke around here about chinese restraurants that they keep the cat population down, I rarely eat chicken in a chinese restraurant
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    #39

    Feb 21, 2013, 02:21 PM
    Our nearby chinese takeaway made creative use of the local duck population ;)
    Till they got busted which was a shame..
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    #40

    Feb 21, 2013, 02:24 PM
    Yes duck in plum sauce almost as good as mongolian rabbit

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