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mr.yet · Jan 13, 2013, 08:02 AM

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

-- John F. Kennedy

Wondergirl · Jan 13, 2013, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Had his mom succeeded in institutionalizing him

And why didn't she succeed?

talaniman · Jan 13, 2013, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by mr.yet

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

-- John F. Kennedy

I cannot find a context for this speech or when it was delivered, and to whom. But every militia group uses it.

Please supply a link to its origins.

excon · Jan 13, 2013, 09:31 AM

Hello tal:

Who would disagree with it?

Of course, it does NOT mean buy as many guns as you can, move to Idaho, and join an anti government (IE: anti OBAMA) militia.

Now, if you were a right wing NUT, kind of like Tim McVey, you COULD find that stuff in there.

excon

Wondergirl · Jan 13, 2013, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

I cannot find a context for this speech or when it was delivered, and to whom. But every militia group uses it.

Please supply a link to its origins.

You awoke the librarian in me, am searching for the source of this quote. Meanwhile, I stumbled across this one (woo! Woo!) --

A strong body makes a strong mind. As to the species of exercise I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks. – Thomas Jefferson

***ADDED*** So far, John Kennedy January 29, 1961.

He gave his State of the Union message the next day (and it could be given today with many of the same conditions prevailing) -- http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/sta...union/174.html

Wondergirl · Jan 13, 2013, 09:54 AM

Found it!

Roosevelt Day Commemoration Message - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum

tomder55 · Jan 13, 2013, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

And why didn't she succeed?

Somehow he found out about it ,and that triggered his rage.

NeedKarma · Jan 13, 2013, 10:06 AM

Found it!

Roosevelt Day Commemoration Message - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum

Well done.
It certainly sounds like Cold War rhetoric - the enemy being the USSR.

Wondergirl · Jan 13, 2013, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

somehow he found out about it ,and that triggered his rage.

So what does that explanation of why he shot up a school have to do with the inadequacies of the mental health profession?

tomder55 · Jan 13, 2013, 10:14 AM

Like I said ,I have not found out all the details . Heck ,there is no admission yet that he was on medications or under any care or evaluation.We know his mom was concerned enough to consider institutionalization... Beyond that ; All they floated so far was that idiocy that Aspby was a contributing factor .

Wondergirl · Jan 13, 2013, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

like I said ,I have not found out all the details . Heck ,there is no admission yet that he was on medications or under any care or evaluation.We know his mom was concerned enough to consider institutionalization ... Beyond that ; All they floated so far was that idiocy that Aspby was a contributing factor .

He may have been an Aspie, but that certainly wasn't a contributing factor. I am eagerly awaiting the report of the details of this young man's mental and emotional journey, and what had been done to try to help him.

talaniman · Jan 13, 2013, 10:41 AM

He was trained to use a gun, and about to be sent away from surroundings he was familiar with.

Thanks WG for the context of the quote by Kennedy. He wasn't alking about arming the public against the govrnment, but help make government greater through support and participation.

That was my read.

Wondergirl · Jan 13, 2013, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

He was trained to use a gun.

Reports are that she was trying to emotionally connect with him.

talaniman · Jan 13, 2013, 11:16 AM

... and then break that connection?

Wondergirl · Jan 13, 2013, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

.........................and then break that connection?

He apparently was incapable of connecting with anyone, even his mother.

talaniman · Jan 13, 2013, 12:21 PM

He had no history of violence or bad behavior as far as I know. There is no paper trail either.

Wondergirl · Jan 13, 2013, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

He had no history of violence or bad behavior as far as I know. There is no paper trail either.

A shop teacher had come forward to say he seemed to have no understanding of pain either for himself (so the teacher had to watch him closely in class) and for others. A few former classmates said he hugged the walls when he walked in school corridors and wouldn't make eye contact. He was painfully shy, even reclusive. The autism characteristics must have fed whatever demons were holding onto him.

excon · Jan 14, 2013, 06:25 AM

Hello again,

Here's what's crazy. When faced with the country's problems, Democrats want to talk... Republicans want to buy guns.

There ain't nothing else to say about that.

excon

speechlesstx · Jan 14, 2013, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

Here's what's crazy. When faced with the country's problems, Democrats want to talk... Republicans want to buy guns.

There ain't nothing else to say about that.

excon

Dems talk is my way or the highway. That's one reason we want guns.

excon · Jan 14, 2013, 08:17 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Dems talk is my way or the highway. That's one reason we want guns.

It doesn't even dawn on you that the message YOU'RE sending is, it's MY way or the highway, and if you DON'T like it, I'll SHOOT you...

Excon