[NeedKarma]

Just lucky I guess or perhaps someone up there likes you

Nope. I'm pretty sure it's because I'm a diligent good driver. I take responsibility for both the good and the bad. I don't believe in luck, I'm not superstitious.

[paraclete]

Nope. I'm pretty sure it's because I'm a diligent good driver. I take responsibility for both the good and the bad. I don't believe in luck, I'm not superstitious.

You are a rare breed then all we got around here are yahoo's

[tomder55]

Liberum Arbitrium.. Humans are responsible for their actions and the consequences of their actions .

[NeedKarma]

So praying is pointless then as well.

[paraclete]

This depends upon who you ask. Without a relationship with God, we call him Jesus around here, you had better be sure what you are asking for lines up exactly with his Word

[speechlesstx]

So praying is pointless then as well.

I believe that would be what you call a red herring.

[NeedKarma]

I believe that would be what you call a red herring.

You don't see a disparity between praying for something and "humans are responsible for their actions and the consequences of their actions"?

[speechlesstx]

You don't see a disparity between praying for something and "humans are responsible for their actions and the consequences of their actions"?

No, I see you changing the subject. The fact that we are responsible for our actions does not render prayer irrelevant.

[tomder55]

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Matthew 6

[NeedKarma]

The fact that we are responsible for our actions does not render prayer irrelevant.

So those prayers circles or request for prayers for a sick person, or people praying before sports events for them to dominate, those are not in conflict with responsibility for own actions? Just wondering.

[paraclete]

Just religion in action, if you pray for a sick person the Biblical method is to lay hands on them or anoint them with oil, Christianity is a hands on relationship. This idea is therefore unbiblical and outside God's Word, just more religion

[excon]

Who here will participate?

Hello NK:

Not me... I took part in National Dance Day a while back.. I prayed to Jesus to make me a good dancer.. Didn't work.

Now, you want me to ask him to drive my car??

excon

[speechlesstx]

So those prayers circles or request for prayers for a sick person, or people praying before sports events for them to dominate, those are not in conflict with responsibility for own actions? Just wondering.

First of all, praying before a sporting event to "dominate" the opponent is probably rare and it's misguided. I've never, ever heard such a prayer at a sporting event so I'm going to call that another fallacy.

Generally it's a prayer for safety for the most part and I'm positive God answers those prayers on a regular basis. Doesn't mean you won't get bumps and bruises, that's a consequence for your actions. But it could be worse. So you got cancer from smoking, you're going through the consequences but it doesn't mean God won't grant a positive outcome.

For example, I bet Mark Martin had God on his side Sunday...



Maybe Jesus took the wheel.

[excon]

Maybe Jesus took the wheel.

Hello Steve:

Or, maybe the SCIENCE of momentum prevailed... Nahhh... That science stuff ain't got nuthin to do with it...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Hello Steve:

Or, maybe the SCIENCE of momentum prevailed... Nahhh... That science stuff ain't got nuthin to do with it...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

I acknowledged the laws of nature several pages ago. Bwa ha ha!!

Momentum carried him into that wall, aerodynamics, gravity, a lot of forces were in play... nice scientific stuff. He still crashed hard, but who's to say God didn't keep that car from smashing into that barrier a foot closer to the front of the car?

[NeedKarma]

For example, I bet Mark Martin had God on his side Sunday...

Maybe Jesus took the wheel.

What would you say if the same thing happened to an atheist?

[Wondergirl]

What would you say if the same thing happened to an atheist?

Or if the atheist survived a smashup and the Christian didn't?

[excon]

but who's to say God didn't keep that car from smashing into that barrier

Hello again, Steve:

Me. I was watching.. Mark Martin is MY man... I saw his car approaching the wall.. I WILLED it not to hit, and it didn't. Who's to say that I didn't keep him safe?

excon

[speechlesstx]

What would you say if the same thing happened to an atheist?

God doesn't love atheists?

[speechlesstx]

Or if the atheist survived a smashup and the Christian didn't?

What if?