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    #21

    Dec 7, 2011, 12:48 PM
    Would

    Doth, like a poisonous mineral, gnaw my inwards;

    Be prose?
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    #22

    Dec 7, 2011, 12:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers View Post
    would

    Doth, like a poisonous mineral, gnaw my inwards;

    be prose?
    I'm betting Shakespeare meant it to be iambic pentameter by contracting words (like my "troub" example earlier):

    Doth, like a pois'nous min'ral gnaw my inwards;

    Doth, like a pois'nous min'ral gnaw my inwards;
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    Dec 7, 2011, 12:59 PM
    Well are there any prose in this monolouge how can identify them? Also is there any poetry
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers View Post
    well are there any prose in this monolouge how can identify them? also is ther any poetry
    Iambic pentameter IS poetry.

    Is there supposed to be prose in any of the Othello monologues that you chose?
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:10 PM
    No it just says in the description identify:
    Changes in Iambic Pentameter (Prose, Poetry,Rhyming couplets)
    Punctuation(which I can handle)
    Vocabulary(which I can handle)
    Literary devices and imagery
    And features of elizabethan rhetoric
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:12 PM
    Shakespeare's prose has:

    * Run-on lines (unlike iambic pentameter)
    * No rhyme or metric scheme
    * The qualities of everyday language

    You can easily spot dialogue written in prose because it appears as a block of text, unlike the strict rhythmic patterns of Shakespeare’s verse.

    Check Iago's speech for prose.
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:17 PM
    Prose in Hamlet:

    I have of late – but wherefore I know not – lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercise; and indeed it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory. This most excellent canopy the air, look you, this brave o’erhanging, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire – why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
    (Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2)
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:17 PM
    So lines 5,7,10,11
    Are prose?
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers View Post
    so lines 5,7,10,11
    are prose?
    No. There's no prose in what you posted so far.
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:23 PM
    In Shakespeare’s day, it was conventional to write in verse, which was seen as a sign of literary excellence. By writing some of his most serious and poignant speeches in prose (to show humor or mental instability or evil or someone of low birth), Shakespeare was fighting against this convention.
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:23 PM
    Oh my any rhyming couplets?
    By the way thank you very much I really appreciate all this help
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:35 PM
    Here are three rhymed couplets from another play:

    Love looks not with the eyes, but with the mind;
    And therefore is winged Cupid painted blind.
    Nor hath Love's mind of any judgment taste;
    Wings, and no eyes, figure unheedy haste:
    And therefore is Love said to be a child,
    Because in choice he is so oft beguiled.
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:39 PM
    OOOHHH so lines 1 and 2 make a rhyming couplet
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    Dec 7, 2011, 01:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezeycrackers View Post
    OOOHHH so lines 1 and 2 make a rhyming couplet
    I could go along with that.

    Are you learning anything?
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    Dec 7, 2011, 02:00 PM
    Act II, scenes I and ii, look for this: "The banter between Iago and Desdemona creates a nervous, uncomfortable atmosphere, in part because their levity is inappropriate, given that Othello’s ship remains missing. The rhyming couplets in which Iago expresses his misogynistic insults lend them an eerie, alienating quality." (SparkNotes)
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    Dec 7, 2011, 02:02 PM
    OH definitely! I may have to do three more to a large detailed extent by Friday, but every bit helps, and I believe this to be very substantial.

    I also found a rhyming couplet in the last two lines which will contribute to it's pattern.

    Really thank you so much!
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    #37

    Dec 7, 2011, 02:09 PM
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    I also found a rhyming couplet in the last two lines which will contribute to it's pattern.
    Yes, the last two lines are a rhyming couplet.

    I want you to know what you are talking about and looking for, so then you can do this on your own.

    I had a fantastic English teacher in h.s. -- had him for three years. We studied Shakespeare for ten weeks each year, so that was 30 weeks of Shakespeare. That was 50 years ago. He must have done a good job of drilling stuff into my brain, since I can still spit out sonnets we had to memorize.
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    #38

    Dec 7, 2011, 02:25 PM
    Well I think I'm on my way. Only I can choose the vocab I have trouble with and I know how punctuation affects the ideas.The elizabethan rhetoric is more or less just literary devices that are identified without really going into. I think I will be fine. It'll just take a while to complete. I'll post again if I need more help.
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    Dec 7, 2011, 02:32 PM
    I'll be glad to help with anything else. Study hard and do a great job!

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