[tomder55]

Because NY is not the source of the problem . The problem is what has been mislabeled 'crony capitalism. It is not capitalism at all. State command and control of the economy is a socialist construct or a merchantilist concept . It is not capitalism .

Here is the latest example.
The Democrats decided they would squander vast sums of public money on green energy . We have already seen the amts. Wasted at Solyndra and other solar ventures that have either gone belly up or are well on their way .

Now we learn that the Administration gave loan guarantees to the tune of $529 million to Fisker Karma to build fancy expensive electric hybrids for the elites that have no better overall milage than an SUV.
But ,you say... This creates jobs... Well yes it did... IN FINLAND!!

The Goracle of course dips his beak into this gravy train. He is on the board of directors of Fisker ,as he in on many company boards that have this crony relationship with the Dems.

Crony yes. But capitalism ? No If it were capitalism there would be venture capitalists investing their money and taking the risk without the guarantees provided by the government.

So when these OWS people protest the cozy relationship between corporate America and the government ,they would be better served to realize that the relationship begins Washinton... and if they want change ,that's where they should be .

[tomder55]

Car Company Gets U.S. Loan, Builds Cars In Finland - ABC News


Fisker is also tied to an Obama campaign bundler .

[smoothy]

In NY? They are wasting their time everyplace.

[Fr_Chuck]

They are really a waste since they have no uniform message, no leader that will be a example to focus.

And they are going to in my opinion end up with a riot of some sort that will show them in worst lights as criminal law breakers more than leaders of change.

[tomder55]

They remind me of the squatters at Tompkins Square Park in the days before Rudy.

[talaniman]

Thank all the capitalistic free traders who think its okay for rich guys to make rules for themselves, and take away all the barriers of fairness, and common sense, for profits.

Tom you can sight all the examples you please, and blame whomever, but since they all do it, and its legal, don't blame the ones, who like you, aren't happy about it. Wall Street today, Washington tomorrow.

You still think that 1% has your interest at heart? Or the ones that their money has bought? By definition the FREE market can make money in any market it wants, but its good you are realizing why they occupy wall street. Hmmm will we see you joining them? You should, you have much in common with them.

[paraclete]

Tom the protester now that is a picture. Go and join the great unwashed Tom

[QLP]

It caught on in the Uk too. I get that this is a protest against greed, corruption, and social and economic inequality, but I still don't know what solution they are looking for.

Occupy London protest to 'camp at St Paul's until at least Christmas' | UK news | The Observer

[cdad]

It caught on in the Uk too. I get that this is a protest against greed, corruption, and social and economic inequality, but I still don't know what solution they are looking for.

Occupy London protest to 'camp at St Paul's until at least Christmas' | UK news | The Observer

Their soloution is to create anarchy and to promote stupidity while ecourageing people to drink the koolade and become sheeple. Many are paid for what they do and nobody wants to discuss that.

[talaniman]

Maybe some are paid, a small group, but I doubt if what we are seeing world wide is orchestrated by anarchists. I think people just ain't happy with the way their leaders are addressing their issues.

[cdad]

Maybe some are paid, a small group, but I doubt if what we are seeing world wide is orchestrated by anarchists. I think people just ain't happy with the way their leaders are addressing their issues.

Sure, but what we have here and so far around the world is anarchy because there is no solution being proposed. Ive been going back on occasion and following the live feed that I posted before to see how things are on the ground level. There is much infighting. When they were having one of their meetings the so called leader kicked out the live feed. That wasn't suppose to happen. And now you have journalists and others trying to run the show. So where is this really going? Overthrow all governments and demand all monies go to the so called poor ?

What real solutions have been offered other then spoiled brats bee itching about not having enough ?

[tomder55]

The neighborhood is fed up and there is crime and vandalism inside the encampments .

Winter woes threaten Wall Street occupiers

Community Board Asks "Occupy Wall Street" Protesters To Clean Up, Quiet Down - NY1.com

And yes I've heard ancidotal reports of factions inside Zuccotti Park where one group of anarchists are occupying a section of the park and excluding other protesters from entering .

[paraclete]

What real solutions have been offered other then spoiled brats bee itching about not having enough ?

What sparked this and why it has drawn copy groups all over the world is that parts of the general population don't think that the perpretrators of the GFC who have created hardship for millions and have gotten off without retribution, that in fact they have gone back to their behaviour and rip off lifestyle, have been dealt with appropriately.

The fact is that the way that this has been handled isn't good enough, there should have been many fraud charges arising out of this, and the incomes of corporate leaders who have demonstrated no leadership at all should be restricted and they should share in the pain. Regulations should allow the assets of people who behave in this manner to be stripped so that all benefit they have derived is taken and large fines and jail time imposed. This is no different to racketeering.

What underlies this is the market cannot be allowed to regulate itself, it must be regulated and proper responsible oversight instituted. This is something that was politically instituted and the failure lies not only with the regulators but also with the legislaters. These are not the people who will take action without some in your face confrontation.

[talaniman]

Its hardly anarchy demonstrating in the streets, its exercising their rights to free speech, and assembly. They are not some group with one gripe or solution, rather letting their disgust be known about what seems to be many issues. What comes of it, remains to be seen.

They said MLK was a trouble maker too. The don't say that any more. I say we will see what happens.

[cdad]

What underlies this is the the market cannot be allowed to regulate itself, it must be regulated and proper responsible oversight instituted. This is something that was politically instituted and the failure lies not only with the regulators but also with the legislaters. These are not the people who will take action without some in your face confrontation.

Then why not take it to the government where it belongs. Is it that they think that the man that currently sits there supports them ?

They are so mixed up they have no direction to go to. If you told them just what you said here they would look like a deer in the headlights. (american expression).

[tomder55]

and have gotten off without retribution,

Maximilien Robespierre has spoken .

[cdad]

Its hardly anarchy demonstrating in the streets, its exercising their rights to free speech, and assembly. They are not some group with one gripe or solution, rather letting their disgust be known about what seems to be many issues. What comes of it, remains to be seen.

They said MLK was a trouble maker too. The don't say that any more. I say we will see what happens.

MLK really?? That man had a mission and he lead others in strength to carry it out. There is no comparison to ows. They are not like the tea party they aren't like the protesters of the 60's and 70's. They are a unique group looking for something but they don't know what it is or where to find it. They are lost.

And if you do as they say and overthrow wallstreet then all you will have left is anarchy. They are so brainwashed they don't know what the truth is. Only what others tell them. They are being conditioned in their encampments to be sheeple. Watch them in action and see for yourself.

Mic check!!

[paraclete]

Maximilien Robespierre has spoken .

Exactly! Nothing short of Madame la Guillotine is good enough, but since your republic is so enlightened they don't have the guillotine for enemies of the state the remedy hasn't been used. The guardian of the republic is the law and in this case it hasn't been exercised.

We have one of our number suggesting these unwashed dills are exercising their right to free speech and freedom of assembly. Hogwash! Garbage thinking in fact, to come together and protest, that is exercising their right. To occupy and disrupt commerce that is something entirely different and the right of freedom of commerce must be exercised also.

I do hope you have noted that we have a remedy for this here, have your protest and leave otherwise you will be removed.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-2...8/?site=sydney

[magprob]

Well, I guess our only other option is to vote them out, and vote new ones in. Yea, that should do it. We will vote for change in Washington.

[paraclete]

Well, I guess our only other option is to vote them out, and vote new ones in. Yea, that should do it. We will vote for change in Washington.

Yes go for it, trouble is you have to vote for the opposition or vote for the one you've got. No third option