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    Feb 14, 2011, 08:48 AM
    Chris Christie the Socialist
    So the new Darling of the GOP is a Socialist. Christie is giving $261 million of state money to finish a Casino of all things. So I just wanted to ask my AMHD Tea Party people when will the first rally at Drumthwacket be? I work 5 minutes from there so whenever the rally is let me know. Also where can I get my sign of Christie dressed like Stalin or Hitler. Please let me know ASAP I assume the rally should be happening soon.

    Monica Yant Kinney: As the State Turns: Christie gets cozy with casino | Philadelphia Inquirer | 02/09/2011
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    Feb 14, 2011, 08:50 AM

    Would you rather it be to the States welfare bums that contribute nothing to the states revenue stream?

    A Casinio can be argued will generate much income for the state.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 09:02 AM

    Just what I thought the Tea party is nothing more then marks for the Republicans.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 09:20 AM

    Considering what the Democrats have done to that stateover the decades... at least this one thing has the potiential of bringing in more money than it cost, Unlike Obamas Stimulus package.

    And its not uncommon for states to give all sorts of incentives to atract large employers or high value employers for the tax revenue they create... they nearly ALL do it.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 09:25 AM

    I don't have an opinion on the border war between NJ and Penn.

    Are you saying that your state doesn't use funds to prop up it's growing casino industry for the purpose of seducing the casino users to cross the border and play in Penn. Instead of Atlantic City ?

    Not saying it's right or wrong .But giving state funds to keep businesses in the state is the norm. The alternative would be Penn casino's getting an unfair trade advantage.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 09:26 AM

    You do know that AC is a dying city and they are wasting their money cause the PA casinos are eating AC's casinos Lunch. But I bet if Christie was a Dem the Tea party (look I am not calling them that name for the first time) would be all over freaking out.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 09:28 AM

    Tom I don't care if the state does it. But the fact is since a Repub is doing it the Tea Party isn't saying S*&T.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 09:31 AM

    AC may be a dying city or not... but ignore it and you have another Camden... and how much state money goes there every year to that hell hole... and to what end? ITs something they have now... vs. for something else they don't and thus is an unknown uproven entity.

    Incidentally I'm not a Casino visitor.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 09:31 AM

    He was also just in Illinois trying to lure their businesses to NJ. It's what a governor does, competes for an economic advantage for his state.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 09:34 AM

    Keeping industry in the state is money well spent . And it is a state and local issue... to be addressed by the people of the State.

    You mistake the rationale for the Tea Party. It is FEDERAL SPENDING that has no rationale under the Constitution that has them upset .

    If you were telling me that the Federal Government was spending money to prop up NJ casino's I'd have an issue with it.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 09:57 AM

    I see what you are saying Tom. Steve I understand that is what a governor does.

    I'll tell you this much I will never step foot in a NJ casino again since they are getting rid of the Casino Commission and letting the Casino's police themselves. That should work out well.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 10:05 AM
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    ....... since they are getting rid of the Casino Commission and letting the Casino's police themselves. That should work out well.
    That may prove to be a decision they soon regret if it is exactly as you claim. Assuming they completely bow out and let them do it ALL themselves. Not sure what extent of control they are giving up... as in limited or full.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 10:16 AM
    I'm sure Christie will answer for himself, he always does. But, the column you posted is a little misleading. NJ, is not becoming "a 20 percent partner in a business it regulates." It's a break on future taxes, taxes that would never be collected if this casino isn't finished, which will help the casino secure fi9naninc go to complete the project. And Spit, he's not letting the casinos police themselves.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 10:19 AM
    Hello spit:

    I'm just watching these guys say it's perfectly fine for Christie to invest in his state, but Obama can't invest in the country.

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    Feb 14, 2011, 10:21 AM

    Obama hasn't invested in his country yet... he's paid back political contributors thus far.

    HUGE difference between those two.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 10:34 AM

    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
    Federalist 45 (James Madison)
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    Feb 14, 2011, 10:38 AM

    What tom said.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 10:42 AM

    Hello tom:

    Nobody is saying he doesn't have the authority to spend taxpayer dollars... It's just that he says the state is broke when, say, education needs to be addressed, or tunnels need to be built, but not so broke when casinos need money...

    We understand... Really. We do.

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    Feb 14, 2011, 10:56 AM
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    Hello tom:

    Nobody is saying he doesn't have the authority to spend taxpayer dollars... It's just that he says the state is broke when, say, education needs to be addressed, or tunnels need to be built, but not so broke when casinos need money...

    We understand... Really. We do.

    excon
    You can't fix education by throwing dollars at it... the last 30+ years have proven that doesn't work. The more money gets spent... the worse the education system has gotten.

    Get rid of the liberal ideologs and propagandists... and Hire actual teachers again like they used to have when we were still in school. Back in our day and earlier they got a lot more done with a lot less per student... even adjusted for inflation.
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    Feb 14, 2011, 10:59 AM

    I'm not defending his decision. States have dabbled in all kinds of gambling as a way to make revenue ;and have fallen flat in the attempt.

    Not that Atlantic City doesn't collect lots of money.. It's just that the money the State has gained in revenue has been squandered .

    Atlantic City should be paved in gold.
    If NY ran it's lottery properly then taxes would not be needed to fund education.

    Yes Christe is using state money to complete the project... But I'll wager that he reforms the system so it is more efficient and profitable for the State. I don't think that the op states Christie's argument for reducing the gaming commission's authority . But I bet it has lots to do with bureacratic inefficiency.

    BTW... this is another example where the myth is debunked that "vice " can be regulated and made profitable for the state.

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