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Honda Crx 1989 with 1.8 liter swap. Car has good sprak and good fuel,but won't.
Car was running fine when I shut it off the next day went out to start and would not start. Vehicle rolls over fine. The ICM, distributor, coil have been changed it seems to now be receiving great blue spark. Also getting plenty of fuel to the cylinders. The plugs are soaked when you check them. Also check engine light comes on for two seconds before going out before trying to start the vehicle. I am stumped its been a lot of money and time wasted yet no answer
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OK... that tells me that all the hard stuff has to be right. You did have the water pump... Idler and Timing belt replaced when you put the engine in I hope. I can't check the Manual I have for the ODB0 B series engine until I get home... that will be in about 3 or 4 hours, as I don't remember the codes off the top of my head. I did the swap about 5 or 6 years ago, still runs like a champ. |
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You can download and print FSMs for the ODB0 B series Vtec here Online Honda Service Manual List Since there was never an ODB0 VTEC engine sold in the USA the SiR manual from England is the only English language service manual you will find. They wee introduced in the 1994 Del Sol but that's a ODB1 engine with a lot of differences. I assume you don't have the non-VTEC B18 from an early integra. |
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 Originally Posted by Darrek
A code for a timing jump is not a single flash (forget what it is but its not that for sure)... Gates timing belts are garbage on Hondas... get one from the dealer. I went through two that kept stretching and jumping time EVERY time I went over 5,500 RPM. UNTIL I got a belt from the dealer then I've had it to 9,200 rpm without issue many times. (Mine IS a B16A1 and has upgraded valve springs, Cams, 4-1 JDM header and chipped ECU) You won't pull those reves on less than an B18C5 without issues. We get it running first , THEN change those items. They are on borrowed time. |
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OK... NON V-Tech... you need to reffer to the US market Accura integra engine Service manual for that period... Do you know what year engine it is for certain? Just to be certain... you are sure its not the D Series ZC Twin Cam that is a 1.6? That's a totally different beast... and a nice engine. I've run that as well. Wish I had kept it. It got 10 mpg better than the B series and still had a lot of power. |
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Yeah well that's the thing the guy I bought it from said that timing belt shouldn't be an issue cause it was changed when the motor went in. Ah I see the belt could just be crap and not handle anything above 5,500. I mean this belt literally looks brand new and I don't know what kind of belt it is. He said it was professionally swapped from the 1.5l to the non-vtec 1.8l... thank you for the info about the belt, If it did indeed slip when I shut it off, then I will be sure to have it replaced with one from a honda dealer.
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Trust me... timing belts per Hondas suggestion should be replaced every 60K miles or was it 5 or 6 years. Yes they can be 15 years old and look brand new... don't let looks fool you. So... 1990 1.8 non-Vtech Integra engine. That HAS to be US market as the other markets had the B Series V-tech beginning 1990. I am assuming that's the 1.8 Integra LS engine. Yeah.. 130 HP, you would have been better off with the B16A1 with 160Hp stock... that was on par with the DOHC ZC that would run on regular gas that had 138 hp stock. THe US Integra didn't get a 1.7 VTEC until 92. Honestly NOT as familiar with that specific engine so it would reguire me digging around a bit. The Manual I have won't cover that and it will be a Different ECU in any case. Hopefully someone will have that info like TXGreasemonkey before I can dig something up. |
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Comment on smoothy's post
Yep I am starting to wonder if it did jump a tooth or something because I am not sure of what else can cause a no start? It is indeed the 130 hp motor I bought it cause I needed wheels and it is in great shape and it is a quick bugger.
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You shouldn't ever see the check engine light on... towards the bottom of the page are the pertinant codes...
Honda OBD1 & OBD0 ECU trouble codes OBD1 ECU Codes: Code Meaning 1 O2A – Oxygen sensor #1 2 O2B – Oxygen sensor #2 3 MAP – manifold absolute pressure sensor 4 CKP – crank position sensor 5 MAP – manifold absolute pressure sensor 6 ECT – water temperature sensor 7 TPS – throttle position sensor 8 TDC – top dead centre sensor 9 CYP – cylinder sensor 10 IAT – intake air temperature sensor 12 EGR – exhaust gas recirculation lift valve 13 BARO – atmospheric pressure sensor 14 IAC (EACV) – idle air control valve 15 Ignition output signal 16 Fuel injectors 17 VSS – speed sensor 19 Automatic transmission lockup control valve 20 Electrical load detector 21 VTEC spool solenoid valve 22 VTEC pressure valve 23 Knock sensor 30 Automatic transmission A signal 31 Automatic transmission B signal 41 Primary oxygen sensor heater 43 Fuel supply system 45 Fuel system too rich or lean 48 LAF – lean air fuel sensor 54 CKF – crank fluctuation sensor 58 TDC sensor #2 61 Primary oxygen sensor 63 Secondary oxygen sensor 65 Secondary oxygen sensor heater Honda ECU trouble code data: 1 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98 86-98 97-98 85-91 93-97 95-98 85-98 Oxygen Sensor “A” (Primary) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 2 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-89 86-87 n/a 85-87 85-91 n/a n/a Oxygen Sensor “B” defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 3 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98 86-98 97-98 85-91 93-97 95-98 85-98 MAP Sensor (Manifold Absolute Pressure) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 4 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 90-98 88-98 97-98 88-91 93-97 95-98 85-98 CKP Sensor (Crankshaft Position Sensor) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 5 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98 * 86-98 97-98 85-91 93-97 96-98 85-98 MAP Sensor (Manifold Absolute Pressure) mechanical problem / disconnected piping * exc 94-95 6 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98 86-98 97-98 85-91 93-97 95-98 85-98 ECT Sensor (Engine Coolant Temperature) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 7 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98 86-98 97-98 85-91 93-97 95-98 85-98 TP Sensor (Throttle Position) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 8 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98 86-98 97-98 85-91 93-97 95-98 85-98 TDC Sensor (Top Dead Center) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 9* Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98** 86-98 97-98 85-91 93-97 95-98 85-98 CYP Sensor (Cylinder) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor * not a valid code for any throttle body injection Hondas ** not a valid code for V-6 engines 10 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98 86-98 97-98 85-91 93-97 95-98 85-98 IAT Sensor (Intake Air Temperature) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 12 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98 86-98 * n/a 85-91 * n/a 95-98 85-98 EGR Lift Sensor (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor * not a valid code if car is not equipped with an EGR valve (some Civic models are not) 13 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 85-98 86-98 97-98 85-91 93-97 95-98 85-98 BARO Sensor (Atmospheric Pressure) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 14 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 88-98 88-98 97-98 88-91 93-97 95-98 88-98 IAC Valve (Idle Air Control) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 15 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 90-95 88-95 n/a 88-91 93-95 95 88-95 Ignition Output Signal missing or defective ignition output signal 16 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 90-95 88-95 n/a 88-91 93-95 95 88-95 Fuel Injector System defective circuit or unplugged / defective fuel injector 17 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 88-98 88-98 97-98 88-91 93-97 95-97 88-98 VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 19 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude n/a 88-95 n/a 88-91 93-97 n/a n/a Automatic Transmission Lock Up Control Solenoid Valve defective circuit or unplugged / defective solenoid valve 20 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 90-98 88-98 97-98 88-91 93-97 95-98 92-98 Electrical Load Detector defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 21* Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 94-98 ** 92-95 n/a n/a 93-95 n/a 93-95 VTEC Solenoid Valve defective circuit or unplugged / defective solenoid valve * not a valid code if car does not have a VTEC engine ** not with V-6 engine 22* Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 94-98 92-98 n/a n/a 93-97 98 93-98` VTEC Oil Pressure Switch defective circuit or unplugged / defective oil pressure switch * not a valid code if car does not have a VTEC engine 23 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 98 * 96-98 n/a n/a 94-97 n/a 92-98 KS (Knock Sensor) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor * not a valid code if V-6 engine 30 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 90-98 * n/a n/a n/a n/a 95 92-98 * Automatic Transmission Signal: “A” / SEAF / SEFA / TMA or TMB defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor * not a valid code for 1996 31 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 90-95 n/a n/a n/a n/a 95 92-95 Automatic Transmission Signal “B” defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 41 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 90-98 92-98 97-98 n/a 93-97 95-98 90-98 Primary Oxygen Sensor – Heater circuit malfunction 43 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 90-95 92-95 n/a n/a 93-95 95 90-95 Fuel Supply System defective or malfunctioning fuel supply system 45 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 System Too Lean or Too Rich malfunction in the fuel monitoring systems 48 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 98 92-98 n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a LAF Sensor (Lean Air Fuel) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 54 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 n/a n/a CKF Sensor (Crankshaft Speed Fluctuation) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor 58 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 98 * n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a TDC Sensor 2 (Top Dead Center) defective circuit or unplugged / defective sensor * with V-6 engine only 61 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 Oxygen Sensor, Heated – Sensor 1 (Primary) high voltage, low voltage, or slow response 63 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 Oxygen Sensor, Heated – Sensor 2 (Secondary) high voltage, low voltage, or slow response 65 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 Oxygen Sensor Heater (Secondary) malfunctioning or defective oxygen sensor heater 67 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 Catalyst system Efficiency Below Threshold malfunctioning or defective catalyst system 70 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a n/a 96-98 96-98 Automatic Transmission malfunction with the automatic transmission controls 71 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 Cylinder 1 Misfire or a Random Misfire a condition is present that is creating a cylinder misfire 72 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 Cylinder 2 Misfire or a Random Misfire a condition is present that is creating a cylinder misfire 73 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 Cylinder 3 Misfire or a Random Misfire a condition is present that is creating a cylinder misfire 74 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 Cylinder 4 Misfire or a Random Misfire a condition is present that is creating a cylinder misfire 75 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 98 * n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a Cylinder 5 Misfire or a Random Misfire a condition is present that is creating a cylinder misfire * valid code for V-6 engine only 76 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 98 * n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a n/a Cylinder 6 Misfire or a Random Misfire a condition is present that is creating a cylinder misfire * valid code for V-6 engine only 80 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 n/a n/a n/a 96-98 96-98 Exhaust Gas Recirculation insufficient flow detected 86 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-98 96-98 ECT Sensor (Engine Coolant Temperature) circuit range / performance problem 90 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 97-98 96-98 n/a n/a n/a 98 97-98 Evaporative Emission Control System leak detected in the fuel tank area 91 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 n/a n/a n/a 98 97-98 Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor low input 92 Accord Civic CRV CRX Del Sol Odyssey Prelude 96-98 96-98 97-98 n/a 96-97 96-97 96-98 Evaporative Emission Control System insufficient purge flow How to read Honda OBD0 trouble codes without a scanner: OBD0 Check Engine Light (CEL) Codes: When the Check Engine warning light has been reported on, turn the ignition on, pull down the passenger's side carpet from under the dashboard and observe the LED on the top of the ECU. The LED indicates a system failure code by blinking frequency. The ECU LED can indicate any number of simultaneous component problems by blinking separate codes, one after another. Problem codes 1 through 9 are indicated by individual short blinks. Problem codes 10 through 44 are indicated by a series of long and short blinks. One long blink equals 10 short blinks. Add the long and short blinks together to determine the problem code. you have to jump a service connector located on the passenger side right under the dashboard near the door. The connector has two pin inputs. Connecting them with something like a paper clip will force the check engine light on the dashboard to display the codes. When u pull the kick panel on the right side floor board where your ecu you there will be an extra plug hanging I believe its green or blue, put the paper clip in it, turn the ignition to the on position and count the number of blinks on the check engine light. codes 1-9 are indicated by a series of short flashes; two digit codes use a number of long flashes for the first digit followed by the number of short flashes for the second digit. So a code 43 will be represented by 4 long and 3 short flashes. The position of codes in a sequence can be helpful in doing diagnostics. A display showing 1-1-1-pause-9-9-9 indicates two problems occurring at different times. A sequence showing 1-9-1-9-1-9 indicates two problems occurring at the same time. Note: OBD0 is for ECUs in the years 1988 – 1991. Self-Diagnosis Indicator Blinks System Indicated 0 ECU 1, 2 Oxygen Content 3 Manifold Absolute Pressure 4 Crank Angle 5 Manifold Absolute Pressure 6 Coolant 7 Throttle Angle 8 TDC Position 9 No. 1 Cylinder Position 10 Intake Air Temperature 13 Atmospheric Pressure 14 Electronic Air Control 15 Ignition Output Signal 17 Vehicle Speed Sensor 21 Spool Solenoid Valve 22 Oil Pressure Switch 43, 44 Fuel Supply System (KX, KS, KG) If codes other than those listed above are indicated, count the number of blinks again. If the indicator is in fact blinking unusual codes, subsitute a known-good ECU and recheck. If the indication goes away, replace the original ECU. The Check Engine warning light and ECU LED may come on, indicating a system problem, when, in fact, there is a poor or intermittent electrical connection. First, check the electrical connections, clean or repair connections if necessary. If the Check Engine warning light is on and LED stays on, replace the ECU. ***this was taken from the Helms manual for 88-91 Civics. However my personal experience with JDM ECU's is there is no jumper to get codes up... they come up right away and can be seen under the carpet on the firewall under an access panel over the ECU... should be a hole to see it, which you have found. |
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Try clearing the ECU and see what it gives you, you do this by the following method. The Hazard fuse (10 amp) is in the main fuse box under the hood. Pull that for ten sec. That should clear the ECU of any stored codes... a hard reset in effect. See if after that you get any codes. One quick flash when you turn to the key battery just means the ecu is telling you its alive and everything is working properly |
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