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biblebob · Oct 9, 2010, 07:39 AM

JoeCanada76 · Oct 9, 2010, 07:40 AM

Yes.

cdad · Oct 9, 2010, 07:41 AM

Sure of course you can. Science is an extension of gods knowlage. The only times when we have disagreement is when it comes to ethical issues that cross the boundries of religion. Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be.

Fr_Chuck · Oct 9, 2010, 09:07 AM

Yes, of course one has to know when to rely on faith and not always accept everything science is telling us today.

Remember at one time science told us the earth was flat and that the sun went around the earth.

dwashbur · Oct 9, 2010, 09:25 AM

There's also the matter of interpreting the Bible properly. The most obvious mistake many interpreters make is the "7 LITERAL days" thing. Once we realize that the text there is poetic in style, we realize that these "days" don't have to be literal at all.

TUT317 · Oct 10, 2010, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by dwashbur

There's also the matter of interpreting the Bible properly. The most obvious mistake many interpreters make is the "7 LITERAL days" thing. Once we realize that the text there is poetic in style, we realize that these "days" don't have to be literal at all.

Hi Dave,

Yes, I agree with that.

This may be of interest. God took 6 days to do his work and rested on the 7th. In the ancient world the number 6 was said to have special significance for mathematicians.

In 'The City of God' St. Augustine argues that although God could have done what ever he wanted when he decided to create the world, Instead choose 6 days. Why did he do this? Supposably because he wanted to reflect the universes perfection which is contain within the number 6. From my point of view I see this as adding to the NON LITERAL debate.

Regards

Tut

WOWgrl90 · Oct 26, 2010, 03:15 PM

Of course. God loves science. He created it.

Athos · Oct 28, 2010, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Yes, of course one has to know when to rely on faith and not always accept everything science is telling us today.

Remember at one time science told us the earth was flat and that the sun went around the earth.

I would put it the other way - One has to know when to rely on science and not always accept everything faith is telling us today. At least, that has been historically true.

The flat earth and the sun going around the earth originate in faith, not science. As long as 2500 years ago, the Greeks knew the earth was round, not flat. It took faith a long time to catch up.

classyT · Oct 28, 2010, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Athos

I would put it the other way - One has to know when to rely on science and not always accept everything faith is telling us today. At least, that has been historically true.

The flat earth and the sun going around the earth originate in faith, not science. As long as 2500 years ago, the Greeks knew the earth was round, not flat. It took faith a long time to catch up.

Athos,

The book of Job is the first to record the earth was in fact round and not flat... check out Job 26:7,10. Incidentally, the book o Job was written way before the Greeks came along. It also says in Isaiah 40:22 " It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"...

I'm just saying... you are wrong.

TUT317 · Oct 28, 2010, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

Athos,

The book of Job is the first to record the earth was in fact round and not flat....check out Job 26:7,10. Incidently, the book o Job was written way before the Greeks came along. It also says in Isaiah 40:22 " It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth".....

I'm just sayin....you are wrong.

Hi classy T,

The problem is that a circle isn't a sphere.

Regards

Tut

Wondergirl · Oct 28, 2010, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

I'm just sayin....you are wrong.

Did Athos say the Bible was wrong? No. Reread his answer. In fact, read Fr_Chuck's first, then Athos'.

Athos · Oct 28, 2010, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Did Athos say the Bible was wrong? No. Reread his answer. In fact, read Fr_Chuck's first, then Athos'.

I tried to give you a "helpful", but it wouldn't let me.

So, here's a "helpful".

Btw, that Bible quote may or may not have been accurate, but Pythagoras definitely wrote about a round earth in the 6th century BC. Is it possible the writer of Job took the idea from Pythagoras? Just asking.

(Not suggesting you were the one who gave the quote).

ebaines · Oct 29, 2010, 08:02 AM

You guys all seem to be in violent agreement. Yes, some educated ancients knew that the earth is round. Yes, educated Greeks knew the earth is round, and actually calculated its size reasonably accurately. I challenge anyone here to cite a source that shows that any "scientist" ever thought the earth is flat, or for that matter any church authority who ever said the earth is flat.

Of course there are plenty of examples of both "scientists" and religious authorities insisting that the earth is at the center of the solar system. The interesting thing is how the two camps varied in their process for finally accepting the new theory that put the sun at the center. Some church authorities - not all - branded the theory as heritical (based on a rather twisted interpretation of one obscure passage in the bible, and on the tradition of accepting Aristotle's philosophies without question). Unfortunately for Galileo one of those authorities happened to be the Pope.

I put the word "scientist" in quotes here because the scientific method was not codified until the 1600's. Galileo and Descartes are generally recognized as the fathers of modern science, and they lived in the 1600's. The ancient Greeks (Aristotle and the like) were not scientists - they were philosophers. So to say that "scientists" believed the earth is flat is false.

But to answer the OP's question - yes, of course you can believe in the scientific method and have religious faith. In fact, some of the greatest scientists have been church leaders. One of the finest astronomy observatories in the world in the 1700's was located at the Vatican.

Triund · Nov 1, 2010, 10:44 AM

For me science is a baby of Lord God. If HE has not given humans understanding, how could a man find out how far is the sun, or deep is the ocean, or how can we take care of our health and do more work for HIM. Even though the medical science is so advanced yet when HE calls an individual home, no money, no technology can hold the person back. Check out Francis Colins on Youtube. You will get more understanding about relation between God and science.

NeedKarma · Nov 1, 2010, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Triund

how could a man find out how far is the sun

How do astronomers measure the distance to stars? Is it accurate?

Originally Posted by Triund

, or deep is the ocean,

Sonar Mapping

Originally Posted by Triund

how can we take care of our health

Thousands of years of experimentation: History of medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dwashbur · Nov 1, 2010, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

How do astronomers measure the distance to stars? Is it accurate?

Sonar Mapping

Thousands of years of experimentation: History of medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have often said, if you're going to miss the point, miss it big! :D

NeedKarma · Nov 1, 2010, 03:13 PM

Ok I'll bite, how did I miss it big?

dwashbur · Nov 1, 2010, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ok I'll bite, how did I miss it big?

Reread this part of the post:

"For me science is a baby of Lord God. If HE has not given humans understanding,"

NeedKarma · Nov 1, 2010, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by dwashbur

Reread this part of the post:

"For me science is a baby of Lord God. If HE has not given humans understanding,"

I think that does a disservice to man's use of free will to be ingenious and have a quest for better understanding his environment. It reduces every single argument to "God did it".

dwashbur · Nov 1, 2010, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I think that does a disservice to man's use of free will to be ingenious and have a quest for better understanding his environment. It reduces every single argument to "God did it".

No, this statement shows that you still don't understand what the poster was saying. God giving us the gift of reason is why we are able to discover those things, that's the point. And you still missed it.