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    Aug 30, 2010, 12:31 PM
    Obama is victim of Bush's failed promises
    If Obama isn't responsible for everything that happens in HIS administration... then by the same argument Bush wasn't responsible for anything that happened under HIS administration.


    Obama is victim of Bush's failed promises


    Here's an opinion piece by Chuck Green who writes "Greener Pastures" for the Denver Post Aurora Sentinel... one of the more liberal papers in the country. Additionally, Mr. Green is a lifelong Democrat... so this is rather a stunning piece...

    Greener Pastures Column -- 5/ 15/10

    Barack Obama is setting a record-setting number of records during his first year in office.
    Largest budget ever. Largest deficit ever. Largest number of broken promises ever. Most self-serving speeches ever. Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever. Fastest dive in popularity ever.

    Wow! Talk about change.

    Just one year ago, fresh from his inauguration celebrations, President Obama was flying high. After one of the nation's most inspiring political campaigns, the election of America’s first black president had captured the hopes and dreams of millions. To his devout followers, it was inconceivable that a year later his administration would be gripped in self-imposed crisis.

    Of course, they don't see it as self-imposed. It's all George Bush's fault.

    George Bush, who doesn't have a vote in congress and who no longer occupies the White House, is to blame for it all.

    He broke Obama's promise to put all bills on the White House web site for five days before signing them.

    He broke Obama's promise to have the congressional health care negotiations broadcast live on C-SPAN.

    He broke Obama's promise to end earmarks.

    He broke Obama's promise to keep unemployment from rising above 8 percent.

    He broke Obama's promise to close the detention center at Guantanamo in the first year.

    He broke Obama's promise to make peace with direct; no precondition talks with America’s most hate-filled enemies during his first year in office, ushering in a new era of global cooperation.

    He broke Obama's promise to end the hiring of former lobbyists into high White House jobs.

    He broke Obama's promise to end no-compete contracts with the government.

    He broke Obama's promise to disclose the names of all attendees at closed White House meetings.

    He broke Obama's promise for a new era of bipartisan cooperation in all matters.

    He broke Obama's promise to have chosen a home church to attend Sunday services with his family by Easter of last year.

    Yes, it's all George Bush's fault. President Obama is nothing more than a puppet in the never-ending failed Bush administration.


    If only George Bush wasn't still in charge, all of President Obama's problems would be solved. His promises would have been kept, the economy would be back on track, and Iran would have stopped its work on developing a nuclear bomb and would be negotiating a peace treaty with Israel. North Korea would have ended its tyrannical regime, and integrity would have been restored to the federal government.

    Oh, and did I mention what it would be like if the Democrats, under the leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, didn't have the heavy yoke of George Bush around their necks?

    There would be no ear marks, no closed-door drafting of bills, no increase in deficit spending, no special-interest influence (unions), no vote buying (Nebraska, Louisiana).

    If only George Bush wasn't still in charge, we'd have real change by now.

    All the broken promises, all the failed legislation and delay (health care reform, immigration reform) are not President Obama's fault or the fault of the Democrat-controlled Congress, since 2006. It's all George Bush's fault.

    Take for example the decision of Eric Holder, the president's attorney general, to hold terrorists' trials in New York City. Or his decision to try the Christmas Day underpants bomber as a civilian.

    Two disastrous decisions.

    Certainly those were bad judgments based on poor advice from George Bush.

    Need more proof?

    You might recall that when Scott Brown won the election to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts, capturing "the Ted Kennedy seat", President Obama said that Brown's victory was the result of the same voter anger that propelled Obama into office in 2008. People were still angry about George Bush and the policies of the past 10 years. And they wanted change.

    Yes, according to the president, the voter rebellion in Massachusetts was George Bush's fault.

    Therefore, in retaliation, they elected a Republican to the Ted Kennedy seat, ending a half-century of domination by Democrats. It is all George Bush's fault.

    Will the failed administration of George Bush ever end, and the time for hope and change ever arrive?

    Will President Obama ever accept responsibility for something... - anything?

    (Chuck Green is a veteran Colorado journalist and former editor-in-chief of The Denver Post.)
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    Aug 30, 2010, 05:44 PM
    I think the most intelligent thing you said above was
    Ignorance can be cured, but you can't fix stupid. - Ron White
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    Aug 30, 2010, 06:22 PM
    If Obama is the victim of Bush's failed policies then why did he refer to himself so many times in his Iraq 'victory' speech yesterday. That was rhetorical question.

    By the way, the Dems are pondering how they can extend the Bush tax cuts while running against Bush. It must suck being a Democrat and trying to keep up with all the story lines and such.
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    Aug 30, 2010, 06:49 PM

    All I know is that the Obama submission to the UN Human Rights commission,the' 2009 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices 'this year is an absolute disgrace .


    It is a combination of condemnation of the nations he "leads" ,and self congratulatory pablum. We are a horrible nation according to the Obots. Lucky for us we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner to lead us out of the abyss.
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    Aug 30, 2010, 09:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post

    It is a combination of condemnation of the nations he "leads" ,and self congratulatory pablum. We are a horrible nation according to the Obots. Lucky for us we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner to lead us out of the abyss.
    I think you fellows really have to come to grips with the fact your government sucks, you have a lot of good people yet you have a reputation which places you not far above the Romans. The fact is you kill people and then say oops. Your president won a Nobel peace prize for talking about peace when really he was talking about ending a war you started, now if he were to end the war in Afghanistan he might deserve it
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    Aug 31, 2010, 04:49 AM

    Obama's top achievement will always be being a legend in his own mind.
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    Aug 31, 2010, 04:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I think the most intelligent thing you said above was
    Really, everything above is based on public comments made by Obama, The Messiah for the Democrat party nearly halfway through his term he still doesn't believe anything is his fault. He still blames everyone else for his own actions and his failed policies.

    And incidentally... following the same logic Obamas whoreshipers use... if everything Obama screws up was George Bushes fault... then by direct extrapolation... everything Bush did wrong was Bill Clintons fault. That's exactly what Obama and his followers use for logic.

    Or is a spade sometimes really a spade... and everything Obama did while HE holds this office his own fault. Or do the Democrats still use the same logic the average child uses that nothing is ever their fault... and its ALWAYS someone else's fault? THe Democrats can't try to have it both ways... and they have been caught trying to do it yet again.
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    Aug 31, 2010, 05:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I think you fellows really have to come to grips with the fact your government sucks, you have a lot of good people yet you have a reputation which places you not far above the Romans. The fact is you kill people and then say oops. Your president won a Nobel peace prize for talking about peace when really he was talking about ending a war you started, now if he were to end the war in Afghanistan he might deserve it
    Most of the US population NOW equates Winning the Nobel Peace prize with getting a Publishers Clearing house sweepstakes because of that farce.

    Since you are in Australia you understandibly may not understand that analogy. But the Sweepstakes is essentually junk mail that says you MAY have won something, and tries to get you to buy magazines, by making it seem if you don't you won't win. In a few simple words it's a type of con game, that barely meets the letter of the law for being legal.

    THe Nobel Peace Prize holds less value that a rotting whale carcass on the beach in summer. And Incidentally... its not an American prize... Norway is who make a total laughing stock of it. Once upon a time... that award meant something, today it means nothing.


    Nobody believes he either earned or deserved it. Except for a handful of democrats. And some idiots in Norway.

    And incidentally... if he leaves Either Iraq or Afghanistan before the job is done... he needs his a55 kicked out of this country... not an award.
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    Aug 31, 2010, 05:23 AM

    I think you fellows really have to come to grips with the fact your government sucks, you have a lot of good people yet you have a reputation which places you not far above the Romans.
    That is certainly a vison of the country the President shares .
    EDITORIAL: Obama administration indicts America - Washington Times

    U.S. human rights report hails Obama practices - Washington Times
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    Aug 31, 2010, 05:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Since you are in Australia you understandibly may not understand that analogy. .
    It may have escaped your notice but no one escapes the Readers Digest, just one more piece of american marketing we detest.

    Obama is the can do man yet he hasn't done because you have to do more than talk to get things done
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    Aug 31, 2010, 06:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    It may have escaped your notice but noone escapes the Readers Digest, just one more piece of american marketing we detest.

    Obama is the can do man yet he hasn't done because you have to do more than talk to get things done
    If all Obama did was talk... we'd be far better off than we are now as a result of his socialist agenda and the STUPID stuff he has forced on a population that over 70% doesn't want.

    After all, did YOU get a free ride of not being responsible for anything you did at YOUR job 2 years into being hired with no end in sight of the blame shifting? I didn't think so, and nobody else does either, myself included. If any of us spent 2 years blaming everything on the guy that used to work there we'de all be fired for gross incompetence. And that is something that crosses all international boundries.

    Except for some government workers that is.

    And trust me... we aren't Poud of the Publishers Clearing house crap, didn't know that actually made it outside the USA to other english speaking countries, since I've never been "down under" yet... Nothing wrong with the Readers Digest magazine itself, I think it's a good read... the only plus side to junk mail is it makes the Post office money which helps keep the real mail cheaper to send.
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    Aug 31, 2010, 06:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    It may have escaped your notice but noone escapes the Readers Digest, just one more piece of american marketing we detest.
    You know Clete, I detest your constant whining about American influence in your country. If there was no demand for it then it wouldn't be there, so stop the freakin' whining and take responsibility for what's in YOUR country... no one forced it on you.
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    Aug 31, 2010, 03:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    You know Clete, I detest your constant whining about American influence in your country. If there was no demand for it then it wouldn't be there, so stop the freakin' whining and take responsibility for what's in YOUR country...no one forced it on you.
    You are not a student of history or you would know that your country very aggressively pursues it's cultural interests in other countries. For example; in the FTA the protection for local production of television advertising was removed. This means is we get US sourced ad content on our TV. Who did this benefit? Not Australia, no, this was a trade off for some minor concession. You preach free market and protect your own industries, I'm fed up with your hypocrisy and it you can't take it do something about it
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    Aug 31, 2010, 04:02 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You are not a student of history or you would know that your country very aggressively pursues it's cultural interests in other countries.
    This is correct. And don't forget the big one: oil.
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    Aug 31, 2010, 04:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You are not a student of history or you would know that your country very aggressively pursues it's cultural interests in other countries.
    And that changes my point how? Readers Digest, like McDonald's, forced itself on you?
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    Aug 31, 2010, 05:10 PM

    Besides ,they keep on imposing their culture on us . Here are some examples :

    Nichole Kidman ,Linda Fiorentino,Melissa George ,Rose Byrne ,Isla Fisher...
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    Aug 31, 2010, 05:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You are not a student of history or you would know that your country very aggressively pursues it's cultural interests in other countries. for example; in the FTA the protection for local production of television advertising was removed. This means is we get US sourced ad content on our TV. Who did this benefit? Not Australia, no, this was a trade off for some minor concession. You preach free market and protect your own industries, I'm fed up with your hypocracy and it you can't take it do something about it
    You mean like Austrailias oppression of the Aboriginies... and the Native Islanders of New Zealand?

    Fine examples of tollerance and accomidation you have there in your part of the world when you harp about ours.
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    Aug 31, 2010, 09:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    And that changes my point how? Readers Digest, like McDonald's, forced itself on you?
    Yes its advertising material arrived in my mail box unsolicited, unlike junk mail which I have banned, this is addressed mail no doubt with an address taken from the telephone directory. McDonald's is easier to avoid however its appearance in every town has reduced the incidence of other take away outlets
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    Sep 1, 2010, 04:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Yes its advertising material arrived in my mail box unsolicited, unlike junk mail which I have banned, this is addressed mail no doubt with an address taken from the telephone directory. McDonald's is easier to avoid however its appearance in every town has reduced the incidence of other take away outlets
    You missed the point entirely, Paraclete, a name which doesn't escape my notice, by the way. First you keep telling us our government sucks, then you keep telling us everything else about us sucks, then you keep telling us how much it sucks that American culture has invaded your country. Well friend, I welcome your cultural influences in our country and I don't whine about how Australia sucks, I speak of them as a friend.

    If Reader's Digest has invaded your mailbox it's not my fault, contact Reader's Digest Australia and tell them about it. They wouldn't be there if Aussies weren't subscribing to their magazine, just as McDonald's wouldn't be there if Aussies weren't eating their Big Macs. So stop the whining and stop blaming us for what your countrymen are supporting. If you don't like it, tell them to stop keeping them in business, not me.
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    Sep 1, 2010, 05:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Besides ,they keep on imposing their culture on us . Here are some examples :

    Nichole Kidman ,Linda Fiorentino,Melissa George ,Rose Byrne ,Isla Fisher .....
    Tom it has happened again, here is my second answer. I don't recognise four of those names why don't you use the names of those who have made it, Hugh Jackman, Mel Gibson, Eric Bana, Cate Blanchett and not to forget Oliva Newton-John, Paul Hogan, Errol Flynn and of course Rupert Murdoch the list keeps growing causing me to wonder if we have something special.

    It wouldn't happen if our own film industry could flourish but sadly no money here

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