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Stringer · May 11, 2010, 07:14 PM

I suspect they all had a cold...

Russian Military Says Pirates Likely Dead - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2010

cdad · May 11, 2010, 07:21 PM

Wonder how long pirating would last if they all did that? They had to have been on drugs to think they would get anywhere with a russian boat.

Stringer · May 11, 2010, 07:23 PM

It is kind of interesting this swift sort of action. Do you think they will try hijacking another Russian tanker? Maybe they will bother to check the tanker's registration next time.

paraclete · May 11, 2010, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Stringer

I suspect they all had a cold....

Russian Military Says Pirates Likely Dead - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2010

Well done Russia, the only way to deal with pirates was proven centuries ago. The report doesn't say what the state of the boat they were released in was or whether it had any fuel

Stringer · May 11, 2010, 11:17 PM

A local news commentary suggested that they believe that the pirates were systematically executed and dumped overboard.

paraclete · May 12, 2010, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Stringer

A local news commentary suggested that they believe that the pirates were systematically executed and dumped overboard.

Why does that not surprise me?

tomder55 · May 12, 2010, 03:15 AM

What ? No Mirandizing ?

paraclete · May 12, 2010, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

what ? no Mirandizing ?

The Russians aren't into BS, Tom, you know that

twinkiedooter · May 12, 2010, 03:52 PM

First off Russia does not name ships after Universities. Never have, never will. They do not name their ships like that period.

Second, the cammo does not match their pattern of the Naval Spetnatz who would have done this type of operation. The cammo looks like the US woodland cammo. Also Spetnatz wear either berets or helmets and do not go bareheaded in situations like this.

Thirdly, Russia does not usually go outside of it's waters for a reason such as this.

Fourthly, the Guardian rag made this story up. They made up the story recently about Bammy resigning and leaving the country. Are you really going to believe this crap also?

Also, why after one week is one photo released? Why nothing on TV news but only online?

The story is too full of holes to be real.

Why would Pravda not report this type of heroics and the Guardian reporting this? Oh, please. The Guardian's at it again with phoney stories.

And the tanker was from Liberia - not Russia.

thisisit · May 12, 2010, 04:31 PM

That's ten pirates that won't be hijacking another ship, YAY!

Stringer · May 12, 2010, 04:33 PM

Twink these are more reports...

BBC News - Freed Somali pirates 'probably died' - Russian source

http://www.news.com.au/world/capture...-1225865292229

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018675219

You may be correct I am not saying that you are not. I am just saying that there are more reports.

Stringer

cdad · May 12, 2010, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

First off Russia does not name ships after Universities. Never have, never will. They do not name their ships like that period.

Second, the cammo does not match their pattern of the Naval Spetnatz who would have done this type of operation. The cammo looks like the US woodland cammo. Also Spetnatz wear either berets or helmets and do not go bareheaded in situations like this.

Thirdly, Russia does not usually go outside of it's waters for a reason such as this.

Fourthly, the Guardian rag made this story up. They made up the story recently about Bammy resigning and leaving the country. Are you really gonna believe this crap also?

Also, why after one week is one photo released? Why nothing on TV news but only online?

The story is too full of holes to be real.

Why would Pravda not report this type of heroics and the Guardian reporting this? Oh, please. The Guardian's at it again with phoney stories.

And the tanker was from Liberia - not Russia.

OK. Where's the dern reddie button?? :)

I think this is what your saying doesn't exist?

Ref:

Wikiwak - MV Moscow University

Edited to add:

Also the only spetznatz on the deck would be the one on the left actually holding his ak74.

tomder55 · May 12, 2010, 04:52 PM

It's too easy

twinkiedooter · May 15, 2010, 09:15 AM

Wrong cammo. The naval Spetnaz don't use woodland cammo period for on the ocean duties. Also they usually don't have black colored AK-47's either as the black stands out too much and can give away their position too easily. Also they would not be carrying such long weapons for this type of operation. They would have specially cammo'd weapons to match their uniforms.

Also, if this were a real picture of Spetnaz their faces would be blocked and their equipment would have been blocked out of the photo as well.

They never go anywhere without their equipment load bearing vests and backpacks. They wear their equipment all the time except for sleeping. They would never be without it - ever. So, where is it in the photo?

Also the detainees would not be clumped next to each other but spread out more than an arm's length from the other prisoner. Standard Spetnaz procedure on prisoner handling. Duh!

Believe what baloney you want to about this so called rescue, but it never happened in real life at least not by the Russian Naval Spetnaz.

Also, the real cammo for the naval spetnaz is a very washed out pattern - not a crisp woodland cammo. The cammo coloration is not available online anywhere as Russia guards their new cammos and does not release photos of personnel without their faces being blocked out and the equipment load bearing vests and other equipment being blocked out as well.

So howcome there were no news articles in Pravda about this incident either?

It was obviously a mercenary military operation from a foreign country. Why was the response so quick as well?

Also Spetnaz don't kill prisoners. They turn them over to the authorities to deal with them. They follow the Geneva Convention rules and don't kill prisoners. They may have done this during the Communist years but they don't do this any longer since Communism fell.

cdad · May 15, 2010, 09:38 AM

The one Spetsnaz that is in the photo is the one on the left hand side still holding the gun. Also the AK47 is no longer issued to them. It's the newer version AK74. For different cammo types you could look here. BTW the one on the left behind the yellow line in black has a folding stock on his weapon. Those are the standard issue close range combat preferences of the russian military.

Here is some of the different types of cammo being used.

Ref:

YouTube - !!!- Spetsnaz in action -!!!!

twinkiedooter · May 15, 2010, 02:25 PM

Califdad - that video is from 1979. The Russians change their cammo from one decade to another. There is nothing online that is representative of cammo used in 2010 available at the present. There is plenty of representation of cammo used from decades past online though.

The video you posted DID show that the Spetnaz DO carry their packs, have vests on, use face covers, and utility belts on. The 2 guys pictured in the photo of the alleged incident have none of this equipment on which only strengthens my assertion that they were/are mercenaries in this incident.

Also, where are the secondary weapons if their primary weapon would fail them? None are carried by these 2 guys. Also, where is their extra ammo stored. Mags are a bit heavy to put into your side pockets and you would need a utility belt for this. Also where is the body armour for these guys? Flash bangs, CS gas, gas masks, etc? None present. The SWAT teams in the US carry more equipment that those 2 guys pictured.

twinkiedooter · May 15, 2010, 03:08 PM

Here's a link to a store that supposedly sells Russian Spetnaz cammo.

Soviet Power - best military uniforms, hats, badges and other militaria

The only cammo that would be even remotely current would be the border guard cammo.

None of the Russian cammo is woodland cammo as pictured in that photo.

Russia does the same thing as the Swiss Government does in that they burn or destroy the current uniforms of the troops so that the cammo design or the uniforms are not available to the general public for obvious reasons. Such as badges, pins, patches, uniforms and equipment that is currently in use. They will happily sell you leftover stuff from 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years ago. But not the current stuff.

Also, the Spetnaz "dress for the mission". They outfit themselves according to the mission and only take eqipment that would be needed for just that mission. Also no Russian flags were present. They were unflagged on their shoulders.

twinkiedooter · May 15, 2010, 03:23 PM

Also, mercenaries tend to "pack light" when it comes to missions. They don't carry any id or anything that would identify them in case they were killed or captured. This photo of the 2 men supposedly guarding their prisoners just screams mercenaries due to no extra equipment and generic weapons. Think about it.

Russian weapons, when communism fell, were sold all over the world and to any buyer with the money to buy them. Russian weapons are still being sold today around the world. Not the uniforms and equipment.

thisisit · May 15, 2010, 03:42 PM

Here is a link that says a pirate spokesman says the Russians killed all the pirates:

SOMALIA: Russia executed all Somali pirates – spokesman | SomalilandPress.com

paraclete · May 15, 2010, 06:27 PM

What is the issue here?the pirates were dealt with according to the law of the sea, summary justice. There has been only one way to deal with pirates for centuries.

I cannot understand why some here are getting their knickers in a knot over pirates being dealt with effectively. These fellows are not children or simple fishermen. They are predators, so what if they were dealt with by Russian special forces or mercenaries, what is important is they effectively carried out their mission. I suggest that the Russian navy should be contracted to deal with the problem, it might end sooner than you think