[excon]

But if a cop asks for the id.of Mexican waiting on the corner to be picked up for work in Arizona that isn't behavioral profiling but racial ?

Hello again, tom:

You can't tell the difference between behavioral profiling and racial profiling... It figures.

excon

[paraclete]

Considering the planners of both the WTC attack 1993 and 9-11 were both Pakis you would think our guard would be up.

Thinking of doing a little racial profiling there Tom? I agree with you we have seen too many of these events committed by Paki's, now I know every Paki isn't a terrorist but for the good of other people it is time for the travel of these people to be restricted and travel to Pakistan restricted. It needs to have the same status as North Korea. Perhaps then the Pakistan government will take the threat seriously and deal with their own. The Paki's and others from that region are like a plague of locusts, they get jobs and send money home, do they build houses where they live? No, they build them in Pakistan and get a relative to house sit. They don't add to the nation they live in. They are opportunists.

The fellow who committed these attacks in NY clearly had a long term plan and there was a need to profile him to find him earlier. Leaving the country shortly after gaining citizenship should have been a red flag but who would monitor such events. So let's all stop being so mamby pamby about rights and start enforcing the right to life, the only basic right we have

[excon]

So let's all stop being so mamby pamby about rights and start enforcing the right to life, the only basic right we have

Hello again, tom: I mean clete:

You can't tell the difference between behavioral profiling and racial profiling... It figures.

excon

[Catsmine]

You can't tell the difference between behavioral profiling and racial profiling... It figures.

excon

It's fairly obvious the nutjobs at MSNBC and in D.C. can't.

[inthebox]

Yeah, they should not be pre-profiling. Telling us that it may be a tea party member or some right winger, before they even had the facts on hand. Where is there apology for profiling?


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[tomder55]

The Obama law enforcement approach in action:

They didn't stop a VBIED from being deployed . It was luck that it wasn't detonated . They successfully used VIN # to trace the van and eventually identify Faisal Shahzad. After that the playbook switched to a Keystone Cops skit.
An FBI team trailing Shahzad and lost contact with him for hours before “he drove to John F. Kennedy airport and boarded a plane to Dubai”.

The intelligence team did not know Faisal Shahzad, an American of Pakistani descent, was planning to fly abroad until a final passenger list was sent to officials at the Customs and Border Protection agency minutes before the Emirates flight EK202 was due to take off, according to the New York Times.

Compounding the FBI team’s error, ground staff at Emirates did not act act on an electronic message sent to all airlines at midday on Monday – more than eight hours before Mr Shahzad boarded his plane – notifying them that his name had been added to the no-fly list, officials said.

FBI 'lost' Times Square suspect Faisal Shahzad before flight - Times Online
The airplane was already on the runway about to take off for Dubai before it was called back.

But have no fear ! Eric Holder had everything under control .
“I was never in any fear that we were in danger of losing him”
(snicker.....“the System worked.” )

[paraclete]

Hello again, tom: I mean clete:

You can't tell the difference between behavioral profiling and racial profiling... It figures.

excon

Okay Ex how's this for behavioral profiling.

Originating from Pakistan
A dual citizenship
Acquiring assets for cash
Buying a one way ticket to Pakistan
Buying quantities of explosive substances
Being on a suspect list

Now what I see is this is all a little late, it was good luck that the bomb didn't go off not competence of law enforcement. The system didn't work. This fellow was under the radar until after his attempt failed

Now if certain other behaviours had been taken into account

A married man travelling alone
A person making trips to and from Pakistan

But how do you do that

No, If you just focused on the obvious, this is a Muslim, this is a Pakistani, this is a traveller he might have been picked up, you have to face it racial profiling or not, Pakistani's are a higher risk than certain others and it becomes nationality profiling

[inthebox]

The blame game begins:

Obama administration says Emirates Airlines Dropped the Ball; 9/11 Commission Vice-Chair Says U.S. Govt Is Dropping the Ball - Political Punch

Interesting to note:

Hamilton reminds ABC News that “the 9/11 commission recommended that you had to have biometric evidence, documentarian evidence of people coming in and exiting” the country. “

Is biometric evidence another term for profiling? Oh my.


Now the counterpoint:


Emirates says fully complies with U.S. air procedures | Reuters

Prior to the change they were required to do the check within 24 hours, a loophole that may have enabled Shahzad to board an Emirates flight late on Monday.

"Emirates is in full compliance with all passenger check-in procedures in the U.S. and works closely with both the Transport Security Administration and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agencies to update security watch lists on a regular and timely basis," the company said.

I've heard on the radio since this incident that airlines are now required to check/change the the no-fly list within 2HOURS of a DHS update; not 24 hours. The gap in the Shazad case was about 7 hours. Who knows, who is spinning the facts in order to look good and not look bad.

Maybe they were looking for a right winger for more than 7 hours because of the initial MSM / Bloomberg ideas?



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[speechlesstx]

Don't any of these maroons in the someone left the irony on department get that they've been profiling Tea Partiers?

[NeedKarma]

Don't any of these maroons in the someone left the irony on department get that they've been profiling Tea Partiers?

Is that Texas English?

[excon]

Don't any of these maroons in the someone left the irony on department get that they've been profiling Tea Partiers?

Hello again, tom: I mean clete: I mean Steve:

You can't tell the difference between behavioral profiling and racial profiling... It figures.

excon

PS> I'll bet they HAVE been profiling Tea Partiers, but NOT because they're WHITE.

[inthebox]

I'm sure they have, and certainly a right wing nutjob would be among MANY potential suspects, but the extent to which they initially reminded us not to automatically think this was a jihadist... that was "reverse profiling." That line of thinking, if Shazad was more competent, is disastrous.



G&P

[inthebox]

Now if they had surveillance video of some guy on horseback in revolutionary garb yelling "socialism is coming, socialism is coming"... okay... that may be a tea party member. :)




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[speechlesstx]

Gee, you mean they aren't a white supremacist movement after all?

[excon]

Gee, you mean they aren't a white supremacist movement after all?

Hello again, Steve:

They might be. And, if they're investigated due to their membership in those groups, it'll be because of THEIR MEMBERSHIP in those groups, which is BEHAVIOR, and not RACE.

I don't know what's so hard to get here, but it certainly escapes you guys.

excon