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gosstoss · Mar 1, 2010, 09:20 AM

If it's true that Prophet Muhammad was not mention in the bible by saying of some Cristian, then how can a holy scripture didn't mention the most famous Man in the world that will come after Jesus?

kindj · Mar 1, 2010, 11:17 AM

It is true that Muhammad was not mentioned in the Bible. But neither were/was Confucious, Nostradamus, the Ayotollah Khomenei, Buddha, Franz Ferdinand, Harry Truman, Adolf Hitler, JFK, the Beatles, or Elvis. The Bible is not a comprehensive "who's who" of history. Rather, it is the story of God's actions in the lives of men to bring about salvation and reconciliation with Him through His one and only Son Jesus Christ. The aforementioned names have little or nothing to do with the salvation God offers us and are--in that capacity--irrelevant.

arcura · Mar 2, 2010, 11:35 PM

gosstoss,
In the bible there is no famous person coming after Jesus Christ's return.
I don't know where you got that from.
Jesus returns at the end of this age, the messianic age.
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred

paraclete · Mar 3, 2010, 01:16 AM

Jesus is the most famous man in the world and more. This is what Muhhamud failed to recognise and what did he do? He set up a secular religion based on works.

Muhhamud is not mentioned in the Bible, Jesus is the prophet foretold in the Old Testament. The next person foretold told of any importance is the anti-Christ and perhaps Muhhamud qualifies as a type of the anti-Christ.

You fail to undertsand what Christians understand. It is about relationship. We must relate to God on a personal level, this is what he seeks. God isn't interested in works, he tells us that in Scripture and any messenger who brings a different message is on the wrong track

arcura · Mar 3, 2010, 04:31 PM

paraclete ,
Sorry, but God IS interested in works, that is IF the bible is correct on that.
God asks us to do many things such as be kind to strangers and give to the poor.
Jesus tells us that we are expected to bear fruit.
Keep in mind that faith is a work and we are to work it to prove it and strengthen it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

paraclete · Mar 3, 2010, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

paraclete ,
Sorry, but God IS interested in works, that is IF the bible is correct on that.
God asks us to do many things such as be kind to strangers and give to the poor.
Jesus tells us that we are expected to bear fruit.
Keep in mind that faith is a work and we are to work it to prove it and strengthen it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred your comment is unhelpfull in this context.

Islam, based on the teachings of Muhhamud, is a religion based on works.

God requires more from us than merely good works. Faith is a gift from God, Fred, that is what Scripture teaches but God seeks us first in the area of relationship and from that relationship will flow our works. It doen't work the otherway around, otherwise why would he tell us about those who preached Christ but were not accepted.

arcura · Mar 3, 2010, 07:52 PM

paraclete,
Right. Good faith comes first and is needed for good works.
Works alone do not save so what does that say about the Muslim religion?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fr_Chuck · Mar 3, 2010, 08:02 PM

And of course the bible was written befoe Muhammad was born. Muhammad had access to one form of the Christian bible.
Many believe that parts of the Quran were framed from those studies.

arcura · Mar 4, 2010, 01:44 PM

Fr_Chuck,
Agreed.
There are several scholars who say that and that because of that the Muslim faith is a heresy.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

paraclete · Mar 4, 2010, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

Fr_Chuck,
Agreed.
There are several scholars who say that and that because of that the Muslim faith is a heresy.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Well certainly it denies the central tenets of the Christian faith

firmbeliever · Mar 4, 2010, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

well certainly it denies the central tenets of the Christian faith

Of course,
Isn't that why we are known as Muslims and not Christians.:)

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arcura · Mar 4, 2010, 10:28 PM

paraclete,
Yes it DOES!!
According to them...
No Jesus is the son of God, God The Son.
He did not die to save us from our sins.
To them he is just another prophet.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

paraclete · Mar 4, 2010, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by firmbeliever

Of course,
isnt that why we are known as Muslims and not Christians.:)

.

I was responding to Fred's specific assertion that Islam is a Christian heresy rather than something quite separate and distinct. I personally don't see it as an alternative Christian path but as something quite distinct with a few selective Scriptures drawn from Judaism and Christianity

firmbeliever · Mar 4, 2010, 11:06 PM

I know that Paraclete,I just posted that because it just made me smile when you answered Fred.
Meant no harm or to make anyone defensive.

.

arcura · Mar 5, 2010, 03:46 AM

paraclete,
The Koran is not a Christian heresy although it does contain some heresies.
It is not a Christian book any any way. It is Muslim
I did not say it was a heresy.
I said that some scholars thought it was.
Here is one of those scholars and his book Great Heresies.
It is on line for all to read.
Lick on it.
The Great Heresies, by Hilaire Belloc

Peace and kindness,
Fred

arcura · Mar 5, 2010, 03:51 AM

firmbeliever,
Please read my post to paraclete.
Fred

paraclete · Mar 6, 2010, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

paraclete,
The Koran is not a Christian heresy although it does contain some heresies.
It is not a Christian book any any way. It is Muslim
I did not say it was a heresy.
I said that some scholars thought it was.
Here is one of those scholars and his book Great Heresies.
It is on line for all to read.
lick on it.
The Great Heresies, by Hilaire Belloc

Peace and kindness,
Fred

Hi Fred I don't recall speaking about the Koran but about Muhhumad. Certainly aspects of Islam resemble a Christian heresy, but that would make every atheist a heretic, Muhhamud undoubtedly attempted to explain why he considered christian beliefs incorrect, but I think the explanation contained within that article you posted is more valid, Islam is a rebellion against Catholic intellecualism in favour of simplicity. It is a shame Muhhamud over simplified and wound up in error just as the Catholics have over intellecualised and wound up in error

arcura · Mar 7, 2010, 12:02 AM

paraclete,
That is your opinion and thanks for that.
But of course I very much disagree.
The Catholic Church is not in error, though some members have been over the years.
Everything The Church teaches is based on holy Scripture.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

paraclete · Mar 7, 2010, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

paraclete,
That is your opinion and thanks for that.
But of course I very much disagree.
The Catholic Church is not in error, though some members have been over the years.
Everything The Church teaches is based on holy Scripture.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred we are not all knowing, I doubt there are any of us who are not in error about some aspects of our beliefs and practices. Every time we take a belief to an extreme we are in error, and Fred not everything the Church teaches lines up with Scripture

arcura · Mar 7, 2010, 03:52 PM

paraclete,
Sorry , but everything the Catholic Church teaches IS based on Holy Scripture. That does not mean that it lines up with certain passages interpreted and/or believed by others.
That Peter IS the rock on which Jesus established His Church is a good example of that. A great many believe that is true while some others do not.
Peace and kindness,
Fred