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    Feb 5, 2010, 11:43 AM
    Connect Digital Box to Cable?
    A customer had a cleaning person pull out TV, but forgot to disconnect the Coax and ripped out the F Fitting from the back of the TV, Figured I would get them a Digital Converter and use The Composite into TV, since F is broke off.
    However it doesn't work.
    Do Cable companies encrypt all their channels, or am I missing something.
    I bought a Nhens DTX 9950 from Radio Shack and their support has not helped, Their address is:
    http://www.dsconverter.com/
    The manual:
    http://www.dsconverter.com/img/DTX9950_Manual_V1.4.pdf
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    Feb 5, 2010, 11:52 AM

    Kiss, I noticed in another post, you mentioned the Government supplied Converters don't work with Cable?
    Does that apply to most/all aftermarket Digital Converters?
    Thanks
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    Feb 5, 2010, 01:06 PM

    You should have at least been able to get to the set-up screen.

    An RF modulator would probably work for you. RF Modulator - RadioShack.com

    This would convert audio video to composite NTSC video (the old standard cha3 or 4)

    Cable typically uses the QAM schem for HD TV.

    QAM (television) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You would need a tuner box such as this one to receive non-encrypted digital cable: ePVision.com ? PHD-101 ATSC/QAM Tuner Receiver Box

    This does not have an NTSC mode, but that can be had too.

    The converter boxes are mandated not to have certain features. They usually convert ATSC to ch3 or 4 and/or composite video with audio only.
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    Feb 5, 2010, 02:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by KeepItSimpleStupid View Post
    You should have at least been able to get to the set-up screen.

    An RF modulator would probably work for you. RF Modulator - RadioShack.com

    This would convert audio video to composite NTSC video (the old standard cha3 or 4)

    This is true, it would do that. But it sounds like the OP is not trying to give the TV A/V connections, but actually the opposite.

    Essentially, what you will need is a cable box or an NTSC tuner (which is what is built into the TV, but cannot be used since the RF connection was ripped out). So you had the right idea to try a converter box. Except that a converter box is an ATSC tuner and basic cable channels are on NTSC.

    As mentioned, if you want to pick up unscrambled digital channels (which typically includes the local HD channels), you will need a QAM tuner.

    So an effective thing to try would be to look for a cheap NTSC tuner, or simply use a DVD recorder (or VCR). Just make sure the DVD recorder has a tuner as many made do not even include the NTSC tuner.
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    Feb 5, 2010, 04:15 PM

    The OP wants to use the video in. A cheap RF modulator will do that (convert RF to composite video). Unfortunately, many come without cables.

    I added the option of a QAM tuner for the possibility of getting more unscrambled channels.
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    Feb 5, 2010, 04:36 PM

    This tuner had composite out, and menu shows on the TV, it just didn't work due to not ATSC/Qam.
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    Feb 5, 2010, 05:07 PM

    I have about 8 of the same tuner. It has ATSC in and video and NTSC RF out.

    It just so happens, that ATSC is for over the air signals.
    QAM is for digital HD signals.

    I'm not 100% positive what the cable companies are doing. Recent TV's had a cable mode. I think it was called HRC.

    They could be provisioning the system as part HRC and part QAM. HRC, I think shifts channel 14 to a lower frequency rather than in the UHF band. HRC was the same modulation as NTSC, it just shifted the frequencies.

    A QAM tuner can eliminate the cable box for DIGITAL signals as long as there are no scrambled stations.

    I'm waiting for the weather to get better so I can get the antenna back on the roof.

    If the box is cheap enough, I might be willing to buy it from you, but then again you can hopefully return it.
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    Feb 6, 2010, 06:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by KeepItSimpleStupid View Post
    The OP wants to use the video in. A cheap RF modulator will do that (convert RF to composite video). Unfortunately, many come without cables..
    It won't tune channels. If he switches his TV to Video 1 for example, and just has basic cable (no cable box). How is he going to change channels without an NTSC tuner to pick up the analog cable channels? I've never seen a TV be able to use it's internal tuner over a composite video connection.

    It was my understanding that the OP wanted to get basic cable to a TV that no longer has a cable connection, but only has composite video connections. Hence the attempt of using a digital converter. A simple RF will not accomplish this. It's got to be a tuner.
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    Feb 6, 2010, 07:10 AM

    Looks like the Tuner is between $100-$150, I have also been trying to find maybe a tuner board or minimum components to restore to Original.
    The TV is a Philips and Model # is 42FPL5432D/37. I use to repair the old CRT's, but seem to have to worse time finding Manuals or Parts, In the Old Days we had SAMS(Howard) Manuals and were easily obtained.
    Any one know where to get Parts for this TV.
    Hey Kiss, Sorry, returned it yesterday. Thanks again Take Care.
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    Feb 6, 2010, 08:51 AM

    Here is the major parts supplier. Your model isn't listed using the "Guest login" which is just under the username/password".

    You can still call them.

    Yep, parts are non-standard and have a very short life. Remember SAMS well. The last TV schematic I bought from encompass came in a box about 8.5 x 11 x 5" and it was full.

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