[twinkiedooter]

Ho Ho Ho. Merry Christmas. Looks like Bammy's health care bill is going to be rammed through on Xmas Eve no less when every Senator and Congressman should be at home with their families. Now I know why the bill was pushed back a few weeks ago. It was so it could be passed in the middle of the night (figuratively) while no one was looking or caring as everyone was too busy with the Holidays. Shame, shame on the folks in Washington, DC for this atrocity.

Wonder just how many "add-ons" will be in this bill that have absolutely nothing to do with Health Care. Probably a lot.

Get ready to be ordered to take flu shots, take handfuls of pills you don't need, and have your children's health ruined along the way. Don't believe me. Just watch in horror at all the jolly Christmas presents the American people are going to enjoy for many years to come. This is definitely the gift that keeps on giving (or will keep on giving).

[NeedKarma]

Don't believe me.

We don't. ;)

Maybe if there wasn't a Republican filibuster it would have concluded before the holidays.
Don't Just Reform Health Care, Reform the Senate

Of the 40 weeks that the Senate has been in session, Republicans have employed filibusters to prevent action on critical measures -- especially health-care reform legislation -- in 36.

[speechlesstx]

We don't. ;)

Maybe if there wasn't a Republican filibuster it would have concluded before the holidays.
Don't Just Reform Health Care, Reform the Senate

At least someone was trying to block this monstrous disaster. Fact is, Harry Reid controls the schedule and only Harry Reid.

[NeedKarma]

Nope, the fact that the debate lasted until Christmas is solely the Republicans doing.

[twinkiedooter]

Nope, the fact that the debate lasted until Christmas is solely the Republicans doing.

Blah, blah blah. Is this all you have to say NK? At this point WHO cares WHO delayed this bill. Unlike you Canadians we cannot vote out of office folks we don't like representing us in Congress or the House of Representatives or the President of the country until the next election comes around. We have to deal with these lameo's day in and day out until we can legally vote them out regardless of how bad they are with scandals, money laundering, and other sundry crimes they commit day in and day out all while "representing" us in Washington DC. And that goes for folks on both sides of the aisle as well.

[speechlesstx]

Nope, the fact that the debate lasted until Christmas is solely the Republicans doing.

Nice spin, NK, but not true.

[tomder55]

NK sounds like Harkin who blamed Republicans for the need to wake up Robert Sheets Byrd so he could vote.

[speechlesstx]

Or like Sheldon Whitehouse, who blamed it on those racists, birthers and other fanatics ...

They are desperate to break this president. They have ardent supporters who are nearly hysterical at the very election of President Barack Obama. The birthers, the fanatics, the people running around in right-wing militia and Aryan support groups, it is unbearable to them that President Barack Obama should exist. That is one powerful reason. It is not the only one.”

[NeedKarma]

Or like Sheldon Whitehouse, who blamed it on those racists, birthers and other fanatics ...

Whitehouse is correct.

[paraclete]

Wonder just how many "add-ons" will be in this bill that have absolutely nothing to do with Health Care. Probably a lot.

Yes there is probably a lot of unnecessary spending stapled to it, after all how does it take a thousand pages to explain how to fund a few doctors? What amazes me is the lack of transparency in this process

[speechlesstx]

Whitehouse is correct.

So you agree with Whitehouse, who denied his remarks, that opponents to Obamacare are hysterical birthers, Aryans, right-wing militia members, fanatics who find it "unbearable to them that President Barack Obama should exist?"

Which of those categories do I fall in?

[NeedKarma]

So you agree with Whitehouse, who denied his remarks, that opponents to Obamacare are hysterical birthers, Aryans, right-wing militia members, fanatics who find it "unbearable to them that President Barack Obama should exist?"

Which of those categories do I fall in?

fanatic

[speechlesstx]

fanatic

How so?

[twinkiedooter]

Why is it that most American's Don't want this bill but if we object we are called nutcases, fanatics, militants, racists, etc. Just because We, the People, don't want this is there really a reason to jam this down our throats? NO!

It's basically going to be an even bigger scam than the TARP money was. Now the insurance companies are going to be raking in billions each year more than they already have. Just look at their stock market increases since September to see they have all skyrocketed! This is just another bail out but to the rich insurance companies. Courtesy of the US taxpayers.

Whitehouse is an idiot who talks out of both sides of his mouth. He needs to get his own comedy TV show.

[twinkiedooter]

NK sounds like Harkin who blamed Republicans for the need to wake up Robert Sheets Byrd so he could vote.

I guess they'll have to really bury Robert Byrd one day. He's been dead for years between the ears but as long as he's still breathing I guess he's able to vote.

[twinkiedooter]

Yes there is probably a lot of unnecessary spending stapled to it, afterall how does it take a thousand pages to explain how to fund a few doctors? What amazes me is the lack of transparency in this process

You don't get it. It has nothing to do with "funding a few doctors". It has everything to do with the add ons to this bill. Like the part where you are not allowed to own a gun anymore. Yep. They're taking that one onto this "bill". They read the 1,000 page bill in open debate one day but they did not read all the add ons to this bill. That is where the snake in the grass gets deadly here, Para, not just the "pay for doctors" stuff.

Remember the Patriot Act had so many hidden add on laws that normal people still have no idea just what was actually added on in this miscarrage of legislature. Also FEMA is a great way to make more laws that inhibit our rights or out and out take away our rights. The Patriot Act destroyed half of our Bill of Rights. Homeland Security is just a great way to funnel or launder money through.

[excon]

Why is it that most American's DONT want this bill

Hello twink:

Americans don't want this bill because the Republicans won the argument. Everybody understands what a death panel is, and nobody understands what a public option is.

Americans DO want health care reform, though, but this isn't it.

excon

[paraclete]

You don't get it. It has nothing to do with "funding a few doctors". It has everything to do with the add ons to this bill. Like the part where you are not allowed to own a gun anymore. Yep. They're taking that one onto this "bill". They read the 1,000 page bill in open debate one day but they did not read all the add ons to this bill. That is where the snake in the grass gets deadly here, Para, not just the "pay for doctors" stuff.

Remember the Patriot Act had so many hidden add on laws that normal people still have no idea just what was actually added on in this miscarrage of legislature. Also FEMA is a great way to make more laws that inhibit our rights or out and out take away our rights. The Patriot Act destroyed half of our Bill of Rights. Homeland Security is just a great way to funnel or launder money through.

Well why don't you tell us twinkie what else is stapled on to it, you see that sort of thing isn't allowed here, full transparency, they can do a deal to get a bill passed but the legislation has to travel the regular path on its own which means sometimes they renig on the deal if they don't like the detail. They reniged on the Alcopop tax and the Emissions Trading Scheme. The ETS was stapled to the Emissions Target Bill but couldn't get up that way either. Our deals are more about changing the bill to pass it than fannoogling some funding for a boondoggle. Opportunism is alive and well and living in the US. We don't have a Bill of Rights they can destroy and our common law rights work just fine, but gun law reform over there is long overdue, pity they had to be sneaky about it. We have wonderful laws like outlawing the bikie gangs and managing the income of the dole bludgers and taxing poker machines and returning water to rivers. I'm sure your human rights lawyers would have people tied up in courts for centuries

[tomder55]

Our legislative process is more like making sausage after it has been digested. Harry Reid actually bragged about it yesterday and chided the Senators from States that did not come to him to make special deals.

Business as ususal ? You betcha ! But the President campaigned on a promise of changing business as ususal . He said the bill would be posted on line for 72 hrs before any votes were made.

Yesterday they broke a filibuster on a 800 something page so called "manager's amendment" that no one saw until it was read on the floor . The cloture vote today will be on what has been a "shell bill"(none of the details actually in the bill) because the actual bill could not be constructed until after the CBO told them the costs . The CBO calculated the costs based on some assumptions that may or may not be real ;and the fact that taxes to pay for the bill will start collecting immediately ;but benefits won't kick in until around 2014.

[NeedKarma]

and the fact that taxes to pay for the bill will start collecting immediately ;but benefits won't kick in until around 2014.

That lie was busted by Sen. Franken.