[Golden_Boy]

Fair & Flawless 5X $99.97 for 4 oz
Pure Aloe Vera Extract, Purified Sea Water, Sorbitol, Glycereth-26, Corpus Crispus, White Tea Extract, Allatoin, Lemon Extract, White Ginger Extract, Carbomer –940, Wild Chamomile, Alpha Arbutin, SepiWhite Msh (undecylenoyl phenylalanine), Glycolic, Lactic and kojic Acids, tamarind extract, Malic Acid, Apple extract, Horse Chestnut, imidazolidinyl Urea, methyparaben, Fragrance.


Tonique 10X $99.95 for 4 oz
Ingredients: "purified sea water, aloe vera gel, ginko biloba extract, ginseng extract, Sepiwhite MSH (undecylenoyl phenylalanine), sepicalm VG, Sepinov EMT 10, extracts of watermelon, cucumber, mulberry, marigold & mulethi root, alpha arbutin, lactic acid, glycolic acid, vegetable glycerin, vitamin E, propylene glycol, natural fragrance


* Both have Sepiwhite, Alpha Arbutin, Sea Water, Aloe, Lactic, Glycolic

* Tonique is cheaper, and has Vitamin E and more Patented Ingredients

* Fair & Flawless misspells at least 2 ingredients

* Neither has Retinol or Vitamin A

What % Sepicalm and Sepinov does Tonique have, assuming it really does?

[Gr8stuff]

I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question... it's best to email/call Tonique and ask about the % of actives...

Also, I don't think it's a good idea to put retinol in creams that already contains high % of AHA... it'll just results in skin irration and sensitivity...

BTW, when you say T is cheaper, do you mean by 2cents? LOL...

[Golden_Boy]

I already emailed weeks ago and they never replied, I assumed they don't want to state claims in writing regarding the Patented ingredients? I am not interested in calling as people can say anything one moment and another, the next. To make the sale. Am I the only person interested? I will not try until I get answers, though.

So they contain high % acid? Then they function by exfoliating, mostly.

Yes, I do mean 2 cents, they are matching each other's price, it seems.

[Gr8stuff]

Yeah, from what I read, they are great exfoliators... But I don't have first hand experience with any of them and I don't intend to use them either...

[Golden_Girl]

Lol...

BTW, when you say T is cheaper, do you mean by 2cents?? LOL...

I remember asking F&F on two occasions if their 5xf actually contained 5% sepiwhite and that I thought 2% was the highest requirement, that I have sensitive skin, and will I have a bad reaction due to the 5%? The frst reply they stated that they were not allowed to disclose that information, but so many kept saying it was 5% sw and 5% kojic acid and I wasn't sure. So I wrote 2 additional times again and asked if I may have a bad skin reaction if it does contain 5% sw... but no reply and this was during oct & nov 09'. I haven't asked tonique yet about the % if it is 10% or less? I did ask about the ingredient list. If they respond please let us know.


Golden which words were misspelled?


Sepicalm and Sepinov do not contribute to the skin lightening. Sepicalm only helps prevent skin irritation and good for skin that's sensitive.

Sepinov is the polymer Hydroxyethyl acrylate/sodium acryloyldimethyl a gelling agent used to thicken, stabilize, and emulsify the product, it also gives a nice feel.

Sepicalm VG: (INCI Sodium Palmitoyl Proline and Water Lily (Nymphaea Alba) Extract) Combination of amino acids and White Water Lily extract have the characteristic properties of reducing redness and irritation in emulsions, makeup removing lotions, shampoos, bath gels, AHA's and BHA's as well as aluminum salts found in deodorants.2170

Sepinov: INCI Hydroxyethyl acrylate/sodium acryloyldimethyl

I'm unsure of the % used. But 3% or less is usually used for sepicalm, and 1.5% or less for sepinov.