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    Dec 2, 2009, 07:40 PM

    I think anyone familiar with the bully's past could comfortably call him a bigot. He's been an aggressive bully for years and is only the liberal party leader because they are at an all time low.
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    Dec 2, 2009, 08:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Skell View Post
    I think anyone familiar with the bully's past could comfortably call him a bigot. He's been an aggressive bully for years and is only the liberal party leader because they are at an all time low.
    I think you have judged the moment incorrectly, there was a viable alternative to Abbott and the party didn't take it. They wanted a strong personality, someone with a real opinion, not some party hack who would be nice to everyone. It the Liberal Party is to succeed it must demonstrate it has strong opinions on important issues, I just hope they don't find themselves putting out too many unpopular lines, but Abbott is right, Australia doesn't need to lead the world on climate change, the science is not conclusive on the cause or the solution and we have to put Australian families ahead of populist politics.
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    Dec 2, 2009, 09:48 PM

    I happen to agree with you, particularly the comment "Australia doesn't need to lead the world on climate change, the science is not conclusive on the cause or the solution and we have to put Australian families ahead of populist politics".

    I'm simply stating publicly held opinions of Tony Abbott. Not whether he is who the Liberal Party wanted or need.

    Hockey was never a viable alternative. He would be demolished by Rudd. They have no-one. Julie Bishop is a disgrace, Hockey has no underbelly and the rest are even worse.
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    Dec 2, 2009, 10:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Skell View Post
    I happen to agree with you, particularly the comment "Australia doesn't need to lead the world on climate change, the science is not conclusive on the cause or the solution and we have to put Australian families ahead of populist politics".

    I'm simply stating publicly held opinions of Tony Abbott. Not whether or not he is who the Liberal Party wanted or need.

    Hockey was never a viable alternative. He would be demolished by Rudd. They have no-one. Julie Bishop is a disgrace, Hockey has no underbelly and the rest are even worse.
    Hey from a leadership standpoint I would have rather seen Costello but he didn't stick around long enough to see Malcolm crash out, but you have to work with what you have. John Howard was once not well thought of and yet he made a good leader for a number of years. At least Abbott had the ticker to step up and face a leadership ballot
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    Dec 3, 2009, 04:08 PM

    I agree except for the Costello.

    Costello is a gutless wonder. If he had any balls he would have challenged Howard well before the last election and maybe they wouldn't have been hammered so badly. And maybe they wouldn't be in the position they are now.

    And in my view a poor economist. Keating's time set Costello up for the cushy ride he got imo.
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    Dec 3, 2009, 10:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Skell View Post
    I agree except for the Costello.

    Costello is a gutless wonder. If he had any balls he would have challenged Howard well before the last election and maybe they wouldn't have been hammered so badly. And maybe they wouldn't be in the position they are now.

    And in my view a poor economist. Keating's time set Costello up for the cushy ride he got imo.
    Can't agree about "skum bag" Keating, the benefits of any government's plan don't last that long, I just thought Costello was a class act in the parliament, not that he was a brave man. The last few years of Costello's reign set Krudd up and so it goes on, but Costello was the heir to a minerals boom, Keating had nothing to do with that. Now we have stumble bum Abbott, and Krudd, who won't be able to rise above the budgee smuggler jokes, so we are back to mediocre

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