[Unknown008]

Well, my opinion is that it makes people feel uncomfortable to talk about sex, people find pleasure in watching them, unconscious of how it affects them...

Don't take it too seriously, it is a study, based on some people of a certain age, not all people of the Earth! :eek:

There might be some out there not affected by it at all. Who knows?

[excon]

Results indicated that films had no effect on male targets, whereas both types of aggressive erotic films increased aggression toward the females.

Hello again, unky:

This is one study. There are others... But, I don't buy it in any case...

I WILL submit that BAD porn makes for a lot of unsatisfied ladies out there... But, that's a sexual thing, not an aggression thing. There is GOOD porn, though, where people actually kiss.

excon

[Unknown008]

Well, for me, good or bad, no thanks, at least that's how I think right now. We never know what might happen, but I don't think that will change.

I do agree though that there are unsatisfied ladies out there :)

[asking]

There's no shortage of such studies. But nobody talks about them much.

Here's another one that shows that men who pressure women to watch and mimic violent pornographic scenes are more violent towards the women.

Violent pornography and abuse of women: theory to ... [Violence Vict. 1998] - PubMed result

Violence Vict. 1998 Winter;13(4):319-32.

Violent pornography and abuse of women: theory to practice.
Cramer E, McFarlane J, Parker B, Soeken K, Silva C, Reel S.

Texas Woman's University 77030, USA.

To examine violent pornography use and associated violence against women, an ethnically stratified sample of 198 abused women were asked about their partners' use of pornographic materials, and if they had been asked or forced to look at, act out, or pose for pornographic scenes or pictures. Overall, 40.9% of the women reported the abuser used pornographic material, with the proportion significantly higher for Whites (58.7%), compared to Blacks (27.1%) or Hispanics (38.5%). When groups were formed according to the abuser's use of pornography and associated involvement of the woman, violence scores as measured on the Index of Spouse Abuse, Danger Assessment, and Severity of Violence Against Women scales were significantly higher (p = <.001) for women reporting the abuser requested or forced her to look at, act out, or pose for pornographic scenes. Severity of violence was not related simply to whether the abused used pornography. This analysis is a beginning step toward understanding how pornography influences woman abuse.

It's understandable that people who regularly use pornography would not want to believe this. No one wants to think they are contributing to the injury of others. We all want to think we are nice.

This study focuses on violent pornography but even non violent pornography that involves humiliation of women affects people.

[excon]

Here's another one that shows that men who pressure women to watch and mimic violent pornographic scenes are more violent towards the women.

Hello again, a:

I'm not talking about VIOLENCE. I'm talking about two people making love. If somebody is interested in VIOLENT porn, maybe there's something abnormal about them in the first place.

excon

[asking]

Hi Ex,
I think a lot of porn is violent. Some of the violence is implicit as in rape fantasies. And then there is just the attitude that women are there to please and often to be humiliated.

Two people making love is two people making love. That's real life. Porn is not real life. Every media depiction of anything -- whether cooking, politics, art, or sex -- has a point of view. In the case of porn, that point of view is overwhelmingly male and also overwhelmingly hostile to women. I'm not saying there are no exceptions.

I want to say again that I did not really know what I thought about this until I started reading for Unknown's thread.

[excon]

I think a lot of porn is violent.

Hello again, a:

I don't disagree... And, I don't disagree about your conclusions regarding violent porn... I'm only suggesting that not ALL porn is violent. Ergo, porn doesn't cause the malady's you describe - BAD/VIOLENT porn does.

excon

[Synnen]

I'd just like to point out that the porn industry is really taking a hit monetarily, because of the free porn on the internet.

And nearly every man I talk to about this prefers the "amateur" porn--with real people having real sex--over the fake glamorized stuff.

[excon]

I'd just like to point out that the porn industry is really taking a hit monetarily, because of the free porn on the internet.

Hi, Synn:

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excon

[Synnen]

Excon, darling...

While I'm okay with porn, and will occasionally watch it with the hubby... I'm more of an erotica sort of girl

[excon]

Excon, darling...

While I'm okay with porn, and will occasionally watch it with the hubby....I'm more of an erotica sort of girl

Hello again, Synn:

It wasn't for you. It was for the masses.

excon

[shihouzhuge]

Well, from the debate, I've learned that education is the best weapon against porn. So, better talk about it :rolleyes: Of course, not talking of what happens in the clips, but about it, it's dangers, etc and that's what we are doing :)

:)Sorry for my misunderstanding...

[Unknown008]

No worries Shihouzhuge :)

And Synn, perhaps you all the men you meet who watch porn are the 'sensible' ones, not the ones who would prefer the 'fake glamourized stuff' ;)

[Synnen]

Or maybe if women were more discriminating and CHOSE sensible men, and not the masses who prefer the "fake, glamorized stuff", then those men would ONLY get laid in their imaginations, and the whole thing would stop.

As if.

And Excon--you owe me a present then, if that wasn't for me.

[Unknown008]

The sad thing is that their imagination does not stop there, but they want to make it a reality, hence rapes, or they do their own porn film?

[Synnen]

Some people's fantasies INCLUDE making porn.

Hell, I've got a video of myself somewhere---it was HOT to make it. Never published, but it was fun to do.

Rape isn't about sex. Rape is about power. Personally, I think the right answer for a punishment for rapists is not to cut their balls off---but to put them in a collar and slave clothes for the rest of their lives, to be used by anyone who wants to. Take away ANY chance of power they might have.

Honestly--if you need a SPECIFIC stimulation to get off, then you either need to find someone who is GGG and has the same fetish---or you DESERVE to be alone.

What I don't understand isn't the fact that so many people enjoy porn---it's why people who cannot stand it stay with people who really enjoy it. It's like staying with someone who HAS to have a drink when they get home from work, to me. Either you're on the same page, or get out of the relationship, but for heaven's sake don't REWARD the person for the behaviour you don't like by sticking around and still being there when THEY want you!

[Unknown008]

Good point...

I guess the answer to this one is fear. They fear that they'll lose the one they 'love'. And fear is the consequence of lack of education...