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    Nov 22, 2009, 08:03 PM

    I think it is totally understandable that you had feelings of jealousy when you saw him with the other workers only because you know in his mind he is going to reward their behavior,it doesn't sound like he has anyone really giving in yet.
    I had a idea not sure if it would help if you have a hunky boyfriend show up to take you to lunch introduce him make sure he gives him the look,you know the mess with my woman I will take you out,spread rumours he's CONNECTED (ala tony Saprano)intimidation works if anything it's a good fantasy..
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    #22

    Nov 23, 2009, 11:28 AM

    And OP,

    YOU don't leave the working place, if anyone should be gone that's HIM!
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    #23

    Nov 23, 2009, 10:18 PM

    Hi Guys,
    I had an interesting day. I read and re-read your posts this morning so I felt I had the tools to get through the day. I got to work and guess who kept coming into my office with stupid questions, leaning over my desk and winking at me? By the fourth time I was ready to rip his head off. I couldn't control myself and I snapped at him. He left and I thought, great... I'm going to get it. I went into his office and discussed some work in a very professional tone and very serious but nicer than I was a moment ago.

    This afternoon I had to go to the HR department to pick something up. While waiting I noticed a piece of paper which read Preventing Harassment. I moved the papers and I saw my boss' name on one of them. The other 2 had other manager's names. The paper reads.

    Congratulations. You have completed the course. This will verify that I, (name of manager) have viewed and participated in the (company name) preventing harassment 2009-2010 for managers 2-hour course and I understand the contents thereof. Name of my manager and date. My boss' was dated last month and the others dated this month

    Here's my question. It seems to be a general course for managers. Is it possible that someone complained about harassment and so all managers had to take the course or is it a law for managers to take this course? Either way, I am surprised that he would complete this course and still continue to behave as he does.

    Seeing this paper gave me some comfort because he's going to screw up and get fired. I had a very good afternoon after seeing it!

    Thanks to all of you for your advice. You helped me get through a difficult time!
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    Nov 23, 2009, 11:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by summer7 View Post
    Hi Guys,
    I had an interesting day. I read and re-read your posts this morning so I felt I had the tools to get through the day. I got to work and guess who kept coming into my office with stupid questions, leaning over my desk and winking at me? By the fourth time I was ready to rip his head off. I couldn't control myself and I snapped at him. He left and I thought, great...I'm gonna get it. I went into his office and discussed some work in a very professional tone and very serious but nicer than I was a moment ago.

    This afternoon I had to go to the HR department to pick something up. While waiting I noticed a piece of paper which read Preventing Harassment. I moved the papers and I saw my boss' name on one of them. The other 2 had other manager's names. The paper reads.

    Congratulations. You have completed the course. This will verify that I, (name of manager) have viewed and participated in the (company name) preventing harassment 2009-2010 for managers 2-hour course and I understand the contents thereof. Name of my manager and date. My boss' was dated last month and the others dated this month

    Here's my question. It seems to be a general course for managers. Is it possible that someone complained about harassment and so all managers had to take the course or is it a law for managers to take this course? Either way, I am surprised that he would complete this course and still continue to behave as he does.

    Seeing this paper gave me some comfort because he's going to screw up and get fired. I had a very good afternoon after seeing it!

    Thanks to all of you for your advice. You helped me get through a difficult time!
    Hey, it just shows, when you think things are at their darkest, karma rears it's beautiful head. Perhaps I was wrong (I have been known to be!! LOL), and it might be him to go and not you!

    Keep your head up and glad you're feeling more cheerful.

    PS In Australia it's part of the anti discrimination laws that managers have to take those courses - don't know where you're from...
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    #25

    Nov 24, 2009, 12:02 AM

    Hi Gemini,
    Thanks for all your advice. You have comforted me immensely! I was feeling very good today after seeing that paper. I'm looking forward to going to work tomorrow. Thanks!! :)

    I'm from the U.S.
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    #26

    Nov 24, 2009, 08:19 AM

    Definitely Karma, it comes back to bite you in the a$$. He knows he is on a thin line, if you actually have a recording (or even better, a secret videotaping?) and some people being on your side there is nothing he can do.
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    #27

    Nov 24, 2009, 11:12 AM

    So, when he blatantly is sexually forward with you, look him in the eye and sincerely ask him, "I'm thinking of taking some harrassment avoidance classes, was the class you took any good? Is it possible for regular employees to take the same class? I really think I would benefit by it."

    It's critical you not sound the least but accusatory or sarcastic. Sound like you really mean it and expect a serious answer from him. Ask his advice on the best classes.

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    If he still keeps it up...

    Printout a "Living with Sexually Transmitted Diseases" -type paper and have it ready for him to "accidentally" see on your desk. When you're SURE he's seen it, embarassingly pick it up, don't say anything, and make sure it's destroyed.

    This should make him think twice about courting your attentions.

    Fun titles you can consider:
    "Syphilis isn't always a death sentence"
    "The Upside of Gonorrhea"


    A good "graphic" or two should help, too.
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    #28

    Nov 24, 2009, 07:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by

    If he still keeps it up...

    Printout a [I
    "Living with Sexually Transmitted Diseases"[/I] -type paper and have it ready for him to "accidentally" see on your desk. When you're SURE he's seen it, embarassingly pick it up, don't say anything, and make sure it's destroyed.

    This should make him think twice about courting your attentions.

    Fun titles you can consider:
    "Syphilis isn't always a death sentence"
    "The Upside of Gonorrhea"


    A good "graphic" or two should help, too.

    This made me laugh soooooooo hard JBeau. Thanks!! I have an idea... I'll leave a printout on my desk that reads, MEN PARADING AS WOMEN. I'll look embarrassed when he sees it on my desk. Then I'll stand in such a way as to let him catch a glimpse of the bulge caused by the banana stuffed down my pants.

    But seriously, good post and good ideas. I appreciate it. Today was better. I have to be careful what I say to him because he bites back quick and I lose. I avoid his office, take the stairs, go to lunch at a different time. Today he poked his head in my office a few times just to see me. Freak!

    It was so good not having him around for two weeks while he was on vacation that it was a total shock to my system when he returned. I'm going to lay low and finish with school. He's gotten no where with me in almost a year. He has to give up some time!! I think I'm wearing him out. I'm not the only one. He's always flirted and been a pig with the other girls. (No offense to your pig avatar JBeau) :D
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    #29

    Nov 25, 2009, 01:20 PM

    You could just make this "fun with book covers" and make your own cover and keep wrapping it around the same meaningless book. Make sure it's in your hands anytime you pass by him.

    More book titles:

    "MURDER: The Perfect Crime Made Possible"

    "Office Politics and the Transvestite"

    "How to Win Your Sexual Harrassment Law Suit"

    "101 ways to remove blood stains with common household products"

    "Ex-Cons Anonymous"

    "Schizophrenia - You CAN control the voices"

    "The Seven Stages of Sex-Change Trauma"

    "Courting the Elderly - Getting Rich and Retiring Early"


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    NOTE: The RocketPig forgives you.
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    #30

    Nov 25, 2009, 06:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JBeaucaire View Post
    You could just make this "fun with book covers" and make your own cover and keep wrapping it around the same meaningless book. Make sure it's in your hands anytime you pass by him.

    More book titles:

    "MURDER: The Perfect Crime Made Possible"

    "Office Politics and the Transvestite"

    "How to Win Your Sexual Harrassment Law Suit"

    "101 ways to remove blood stains with common household products"

    "Ex-Cons Anonymous"

    "Schizophrenia - You CAN control the voices"

    "The Seven Stages of Sex-Change Trauma"

    "Courting the Elderly - Getting Rich and Retiring Early"


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    NOTE: The RocketPig forgives you.
    This is sooooooo hilarious!! They're all great. I'll have to use them all. Oh, all except the last one. He'll think I'm flirting. JBeau, this is the icing on the cake. Your sense of humor is fantastic. I'll have to try to not laugh in his face when I remember these. :D

    Many thanks to all of you for your advice and being here for me. Today was even better at work!

    Many blessings to you all... JC55, Rolcam, Paxe, Tal, Gem, Zip, CFZD, JBeau & "RocketPig" :)
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    #31

    Nov 25, 2009, 06:35 PM

    Hehe no problem, enjoy yourself and let us know how things work out :D.
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    #32

    Dec 3, 2009, 11:11 PM
    Please be on best behavior - you will come out the winner in the end. Be nice but professional. This guy is going to get in trouble eventually, and when that happens, he will try to discredit his accusers. If you've displayed good behavior, he's the one that will look bad. Just consider this good training and another life experience. (P.S. Someone should tell his wife. She should know how her husband is disgracing himself - and her. Maybe that pressure would get him to straighten out !) Good luck.
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    #33

    Jan 12, 2010, 12:22 AM
    Hi Guys,
    Need to vent... Had to come back to give an update on this situation... Tomorrow I meet with my boss. He's writing me up. There was a situation at work that was so out of my control but he's twisting it around like I could have done something about it and he's having the HR department write me up. I absolutely cannot believe it. He's completely lying. I had all kinds of proof but he twisted everything around. He totally used this situation to have an excuse to put something on my record so he can fire me.

    I am so upset at myself because I was unable to be fake and pretend like everything is OK. I've avoided him, I've been very serious. I was not able to even crack a smile because the smallest hint of friendliness would encourage him and he'd be back in my office bugging me. Early this morning he saw me and looked at me like a sad puppy dog. I probably still had a chance to talk him out of writing me up but I thought, "Like hell I'm going kiss up to him and beg. No way!" He's been inappropriate and a needy, troubled little maniac. I'm not giving him the satisfaction. I see the other people I work with who can be phony and brown nose. I just can't pull it off. I'm not made that way.

    Friday he arranged for me to go with him on an errand. He just wants to be alone with me. I didn't talk with him because I was so pissed off that he is still pulling this. Before Christmas he gave me a dumb gift and came at me to hug me. I backed away in disgust. He doesn't let up.

    The problem I have at this job is that no one is on your side and you have to be very hard and tough. It's a large corporation. There's absolutely no one you can trust. The HR dept. protects the company and the people in the ethics dept. are so stern and severe in temperament and completely unapproachable. The attorneys they have overseeing the company are protecting the company as well.

    I'm so nervous about tomorrow because he's going to make me sign the paper full of lies. I thought about telling him I won't sign and try to go to the ethics department. I could expose him but we'll both be fired.

    OK, deep breath... I'm going in tomorrow and will listen to him. I'll write my own comments on the paper next to the ones I don't agree with. I'll continue doing my job while looking for another one. He's such a slime ball... this will catch up with him.

    I just need to vent... Not sure what I need to hear.
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    #34

    Jan 12, 2010, 09:32 AM

    Maybe it's time to ask him who you talk to about your forthcoming sexual harassment suit against him.
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    #35

    Jan 12, 2010, 01:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JBeaucaire View Post
    Maybe it's time to ask him who you talk to about your forthcoming sexual harrassment suit against him.
    Hi,
    Thank you for responding. I am still waiting to meet with him. I have to see what is on the write up. I have scoped out a possibility of someone I can speak with. "She" is his ex-boss. She hates him. He was promoted to be my boss. This company is heavy on protocol.

    My question is will they take what I say seriously? I have no concrete proof and now I will have a spot on my record. Will they try to say I am lying because he has written me up? Remember, this company will protect itself. Will they automatically fire me or do they have to keep me employed by law since I complain?

    OK, going back to work... Hope to get this over with... Bye
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    #36

    Jan 12, 2010, 01:28 PM

    Summer, keep a 'strong upper lip.'

    Choose your responses carefully, be professional.

    Something that helps me when I have to speak and respond in front of a large group may help you. In my mind I quickly calculate/formulate exactly what I want to say, I carefully choose my words and tone of voice, speak slowly and specifically.

    I pause a few seconds before responding and slightly smile... not cynically but in a confident way. Confidence is viewed as strength and you should always 'deal from a position of strength.'

    Also, if you are a little nervous... convince your mind to believe that this meeting is already over and it was successful. This actual meeting is just a formality.

    'Right' is on your side.

    Good luck, please let us know how it went.

    Stringer
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    #37

    Jan 12, 2010, 01:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Stringer View Post
    Summer, keep a 'strong upper lip.'

    Choose your responses carefully, be professional.

    Something that helps me when I have to speak and respond in front of a large group may help you. In my mind I quickly calculate/formulate exactly what I want to say, I carefully choose my words and tone of voice, speak slowly and specifically.

    I pause a few seconds before responding and slightly smile...not cynically but in a confident way. Confidence is viewed as strength and you should always 'deal from a psoition of strength.'

    Also, if you are a little nervous...convince your mind to believe that this meeting is already over and it was successful. This actual meeting is just a formality.

    'Right' is on your side.

    Good luck, please let us know how it went.

    Stringer
    Thank you so much Stringer for responding. I really appreciate it.
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    #38

    Jan 12, 2010, 01:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by summer7 View Post
    Thank you so much Stringer for responding. I really appreciate it.
    You are welcome... now go handle this dipsh**.
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    #39

    Jan 12, 2010, 06:17 PM
    OK-cat's out of the bag. I went in and he showed me this form with, lies of course, and at the bottom it reads basically one more false move and I'm outa there. He said sign this one and take a copy to review and you can write back back a rebuttal. I said, "I'm not letting you do this to me...I'm going to talk with someone first." I took it and left and went to his old boss and told her everything. She wasn't too surprised. Tomorrow I go to HR. Wish me luck!
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    Jan 12, 2010, 06:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by summer7 View Post
    OK-cat's out of the bag. I went in and he showed me this form with, lies of course, and at the bottom it reads basically one more false move and I'm outa there. He said sign this one and take a copy to review and you can write back back a rebuttal. I said, "I'm not letting you do this to me...I'm going to talk with someone first." I took it and left and went to his old boss and told her everything. She wasn't too surprised. Tomorrow I go to HR. Wish me luck!
    Good for you Summer... finally a resolution, hopefully it turns in your direction and this is over. Anguish I know, but you know that how he is, this would have just continued.

    Good luck tomorrow... prepare... be ready.

    Keep us posted.

    Stringer

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