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lovelyflowerful,
I agree with JudyKayTee. Pornography is a sin. Just because many in society accept it does not change the fact that it is a sin and a very dangerous one with causes many different problems. Peace and kindness, Fred |
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 Originally Posted by Mz Sunshine
Just for the record, (pardon me while I scream) THE BIBLE IS GODS' WORD, GOD IS NOT A MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE. Did you know that God CANNOT lie? Know why? Cause every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God MUST be truth. Example : GOD decides to say, "Humans wear they're hearts on the outside of their chests", INSTANTLY every human heart would be on the outside of our bodies ( too graphic, maybe). God decides to say that grass is red and the sky is brown, instantly it becomes SO. So, just a recap: If it says it in the Bible (GODS WORD), then it is MOST DEFINITELY TRUTH! Now you know |
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brock,
The point is that to we who believe in the bible Masturbation is a sin. True believers do not pick what is sinful and what is not. Peace and kindness, Fred |
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1Peter 2:11 Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lust
Which war against the soul. Col. 3:2, 5 Think only about the things in heaven, not the things on earth. 3. Your old Sinful self has died, and your new life is kept with Christ in God. 4.Chirst is our life, and When he comes again, you will share in his glory. 5. So put all evil things out of your Life; sexual sinning, doing evil, letting evil thoughts control you, wanting thing that are evil, and greed. This is really serving a false god. Maggie 3 |
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Maggie 3,
Thanks for posting that. Fred |
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Originally Posted by arcura
Fred, small correction here - this was just brought to my attention. I never said I believe there is a sin in watching pornography or masturbating. I said: "My reading is that it's a sin no matter who is doing it - what religion teaches you that it is not?" There is a difference between what I have read and what I believe. |
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Originally Posted by brock
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JudyKayTee,
Thanks for the small correction. Fred |
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To black111madonna
I agree with you to a certain extent, God wants us to multiply, there is no doubt "Go forth and multiply, consume this earth". Sexual "thoughts/feelings" are the mind's 3rd most powerful emotion, for some it is a hard thing to ignore. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says; Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body. 1 Corinthians 6:12-20 ESV says; “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything. “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.”... Helpful Not Helpful 1 Peter 2:11 ESV says; Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul. Ps: Off the topic, I think your stunning! O.O |
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Rom. 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature Mastubation is not possible without lust. Lust can be simply a mental picture or thought. People will always try to justify their sin, rather than to admit they have sinned. Just like atheists; they try so hard to justify why there is no God, instead of admitting that God exists and that they are sinners. |
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I originally asked to be rated for music, for which I was deemed an expert, but I don't claim to be an expert on anything. I know that I don't know it all, I know that I am infallible. I would take red ratings all day though, even death, before I would deny my God, and his son Jesus Christ, my savior. God Bless You. |
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Did you intend to say that you are infallible (exempt from failure or mistake) or is this a mis-type? |
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I have to wonder what God would say about things nowadays. Would he be happy that because some people have been so concerned about 'casting their seeds onto the floor' we are incredibly over-populated and due to our over-population we are using up our natural resources before we can replenish them? He created the planet and animals too. I'm not a crazy environmentalist or anything, but you have to admit that having so many people is not healthy for us or the planet. Do you like paying so much into taxes so we can give welfare out to people with 10 kids, but can't afford it? What about people in third world countries who are struggling just to survive, but keep having more children. Do you think that God is thrilled about that? I don't claim to be any sort of scholar about the Bible, but 'rules' do change from the Old to the New testiment. Who's to say that things that weren't 'allowed' then aren't 'allowed' now? What happened to not judging? Should the pubecent young boy have sex with his pubecent girlfriend so he doesn't 'cast his seed' into a kleenex and lose it forever? Why do you think God made it so that men's sperm are continually replenishing themselves? Furthermore, what about the fact that God 'made' sex, that it is a perfectly natural thing? And that he made these parts of our bodies that allows us to climax WITHOUT the need of a partner? At some point everyone gets sexually frustrated-He only made us human, and that is one of the things that He included in the human makeup. If there wasn't some sort of 'release' as an option instead of sex, could you imagine all of the sexual frustration! What lengths would some people go to in order to get their sexual release? It must be nice to be married and have someone you can 'always have sex with', but not every person is that lucky, and let's face it, just because you're married doesn't mean that you're guaranteed sex anytime you want it. What happens when a wife isn't in the mood? Because she is supposed to 'obey' everything that he says, is she supposed to allow herself to be raped just so that his seed winds up where it 'belongs'? (and yes, I said 'rape' because anytime that someone is forced to have sex when they don't want to IS 'rape'). I don't think that God would like the woman that He created to be treated like that. Honestly, whenever I masterbate, it is short, sweet, and to the point. It is strictly to satisfy the quick need; to pacify it. I don't think of anything but the current sensation. I don't watch or look at porn, I don't think of anyone, I just focus on the feelings I am experiencing. Bottom line, who can say that they talked to God this morning and He difinitively told them that at this time, masturbation in any form, is a sin. You are a youth minister. I suggest that as you read everyone's replies that you read them, maybe remember things that strike a chord with you, but then forget them while you put in a simple, honest prayer to God about the situation. Listen to your heart for the answer, and once you've gotten it, you'll know. Then don't have any doubts about the answer that you received. If anyone asks you how you came up with your decision on the matter, tell them that you went straight to the source. |
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Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
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as far as over-population, it is only a problem when the offspring are not following God. As far as sex is concerned, a woman is a gift from God and a man and woman's intimacy is part of the gift. If you have a relationship with God, you will be provided with a partner (maybe not overnight), but in good time. Every time I masturbate, I feel wrong, for I have sinned, but it is better than fornicating and possibly producing a child out of wedlock. It's still a sin, either way. Oh yeah, about JUDGING... (not my original work)... It may be the most often quoted and yet most misunderstood verse in the whole Bible. People who have never even cracked open a Bible have heard and quoted this verse. Do not judge so that you will not be judged Matthew 7:1 Usually that verse is used like a hammer to immediately stop any discussion about the rightness or wrongness of a persons behavior. Almost invariably if someone claims that a certain action or behavior is wrong, someone will say, But Jesus said we are not to judge anyone. The clear implication is that we can never say if some behavior is sin or not because we are not to judge. Sometimes these words are shouted out in anger and rage, You can't judge me!. What is possibly more amazing than the fact that so many people quote this verse and the concept of not judging, is that so many people could get the real meaning so completely wrong. This is especially true since the context makes it clear what Jesus meant by these words. When Jesus said that we should not judge unless we be judged also, he was not saying that we are to never judge if behavior is sin or not. What he was doing was giving us a caution to make sure that we are willing to be judged by the same standard of judgment. This verse is not a warning against judging an action. It is a warning against self deception and hypocrisy. The way we know this is the same way that we usually know what the Bible teaches. We look at the context. The verse that immediately follow helps explain what Jesus was saying. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:2 In other words, if you are going to say that what someone else is doing is wrong then you better be prepared to be judged by the same standard. If you don't want your life to be scrutinized, then don't judge others. If you can stand the scrutiny then go ahead. Think of Al Gore telling us that we need to cut down our energy use in order to save the planet and then finding out that he has three large homes and the carbon footprint of Godzilla. He needed to read this verse first. Just in case we still have not figured out that this is not a complete prohibition on judging behavior, the next few verses make it even more clear. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Matthew 7:3-5 Before you ever start to tell someone else what is wrong with their life, make sure you take a good look at your own life first. But notice, Jesus does not say, take the log out of your own eye and don't say anything about the speck in the others persons eye. That would be the result of never judging anyone about anything. Instead Jesus says that after you take care of your own stuff, then go and help your brother. So you are to help then with their issue but only once you have done a personal spiritual check to make sure that you are right with God. We need to see this as a matter of helping someone, not beating them down. Jesus used the example of having something in your eye. In order to get it out, you often need the help of someone else to see it and remove it. When we see something wrong in the life of a friend we need to point it out and help them deal with it. When we do that, we are serving them, not condemning them. What this is really all about is determining if something is right or wrong behavior, sin or not sin. We can and should do that with a loving attitude and not a condemning, superior, hypocritical attitude. Pointing out destructive behavior in another person is actually an incredible and brave way to love your neighbor. We understand this when the situation becomes so serious as to require and intervention. How much more loving would it be to step in long before it got so serious? There are a couple of final reasons this verse cannot mean that we are never to judge if what a person does is right or wrong. First, Jesus makes it very clear that we are to forgive people when they sin against us. In the Lord's Prayer we pray that God would forgive us as we forgive others. Well in order to forgive someone, you have to first, judge that they have done something wrong. The very act of forgiveness that Jesus teaches so clearly, requires that we identify some behavior as wrong. To fail to judge it as wrong or sinful in the first place, makes it impossible to forgive. Secondly, the Bible is filled with admonitions that we avoid evil, flee from temptation, cling to what is good and lovely. In order to do that, we have to make judgment calls. We have to decide that one thing is good and another is not. We make these decisions all that time as a matter of course in life. We do it if we are a follower of Jesus or not. Everyone has something's that they decide are right to to and others that are not. Every society and culture has these things and every member of those cultures has to think and decide, has to judge what behaviors fit the standard. Bursting forth with the words, judge not, should in no way intimidate anyone from deciding if something is sinful or not. If anything slows us down it should be the warning from Jesus that we not be hypocrites who are unable or unwilling to live according to that same standard. |
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To Brock: GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE... MAN DID..! There are many people around the world who never get the chance to see or even read a bible... Does that mean that God created them to be sinners so he can send them to hell? About multiplying and overpopulation: We do have herbs on this earth and lots of ancient knowledge Sex is part of life and to live is not a sin Blessings... |
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black111madonna I disagree in part. The reason is that men did write the bible AS inspired by God Almighty. The promulgation of the bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit so that it would be available to the world to read and know what God wants us all to be aware of. That is what I and about 2 billion people on this planet believe. Peace and kindness, Fred |
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To Arcura: There are 6.81 billion people on this planet so 4.81 billion people does not believe that the bible is true. Although men were inspired by God and the Holy spirit to let all of us be aware of and read his words there will always be lots of people on this planet (like in the jungle) who can't even read or get in touch with a bible. Im convinced that these people are even closer to God because they live simply and in oneness with the earth and each other. God speaks directly through my heart and I don't need a bible as a manual how to live and experience life. 'Cause everything you need to learn you will experience through life and that's exactly what God has given us. Just because men wrote the bible I dont believe it..... 'cause men lie. Blessings... |
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1 Cor. 6:18, Flee from fornication, anything that could put wrong desires in your head should not even be mentioned, let alone committed as a secret sin. Study the bible jw's help. |
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Originally Posted by black111madonna
Rom 1:20-23, Miss if you believe in a God, or gods, wouldn't you think it possible for that spirit being to give a way of staying in contact with him, many life lessons can be learned in the Bible. Men do lie, mostly about what is in the Bible, learn and figure out what the bible teaches, and you may be saved in the when he glorifies his name. |
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