[George_1950]

"Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) told CNSNews.com Tuesday that Franklin D. Roosevelt “did not spend what was needed” to get people “back to work” during the Great Depression."
http://cnsnews.com/public/Content/Ar...x?rsrcid=41712
These modern Democrats better let icons be icons.

[tomder55]

Yeah there is a growing school of "thought" that claims Roosevelt wasn't intrusive enough . His grandson is in that camp. He thinks Roosevelt should've tripled down on his spending . The Keynes on Steroids School of Economics .

[galveston]

FDR called his the New Deal. Will Obama call his the Raw Deal?

[Wondergirl]

Where you guys been?? I've mentioned in several threads that even FDR's grandson recently told Obama that Gramps didn't spend enough and that Obama should go for broke. Google and read the whole story. (Sheesh, youse guys... )

[George_1950]

Where you guys been?????????... (Sheesh, youse guys............)

Not 'youse guys', but one of the great washed, Waxman, says it.

[tomder55]

Hey Wondergirl ;What will your library do when the nanny state mandates next year that you dismantle your children's room and replace ALL the books ? Does your library have the funds for the transition ?
ALA | American Libraries - Children's Books Get One-Year Stay from Anti-Lead Law

Maybe there are funds in this mega bucket list bill that deals with this ? Maybe if they had taken a second to think about how they were going to spend our money instead of how much they think they can plunder then they would have considered priorities . What is more important ? Spending money on ensuring that people with analogue TVs can switch to digital so they can watch American Idol... or perhaps maybe helping libraries make this transition ?

I have seen your comments about Roosevelt's grandson . He is not alone .

Even before this recession there was a growing debate among historians about the effectiveness of the New Deal . Yes there are some that claim the New Deal failed because he did not go ultra-Keynsian .

Here's an ironic quote for you :
“practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist” (John Maynard Keynes )

Many of us think Roosevelt's policies failed because it is stupid to take money from the private sector and pump it back into the private sector with the government mandating how it gets spent.

Typical liberal thinking is that if something fails it is self evident that we need more of it.

The common denominator between the two schools of thought however is that Roosevelt's New Deal failed . After 8 years the country was no better off economically than it was when he entered office. Bottom line the New Deal did little or nothing to resuscitate the economy and there is absolutely no evidence that more spending would've made a difference .

If not for WWII he would've ended his Presidency then after 8 years ,a failure in the eyes of history.

[excon]

Hello tom:

We've addressed the rightwingers who DID or DIDN'T go along with the BIG GOVERNMENT ideas of George W. Bush.

None of YOU supported him in that endeavor... Of course, you DID support the policies that ran us into the red... I remember..

But, I ABSOLUTELY didn't hear this shrill cry from the right during the dufus admin. Nope. I heard NOTHING at all about socialism - BIG GOVERNMENT - deficit spending... Nope. I heard NONE of that...

I have to tell you. If you want to be taken seriously about your economic stuff, you should try some consistency.

excon

[galveston]

Many of us oldsters were apalled at the ultra expensive drug coverage provided by the Republicans, but the Dems wanted to spend about TWICE AS MUCH.
G. Bush was WAY more conservative than the Dems ever are.
So please don't hand me those horse chips.

[Wondergirl]

Hey Wondergirl ;What will your library do when the nanny state mandates next year that you dismantle your children's room and replace ALL the books ? Does your library have the funds for the transition ?

We've done a drastic weeding of the children's section (last fall) for usability and circulation, and had the retained books, kits, and AV material independently tested for the presence of lead. The toys have undergone the same scrutiny. (Germs are our main problem, so please feel free to become a toy-washing volunteer. Are you sensitive to bleach?)

We're good to go.

Now if only we could get back the many dollars from the vicious slashing dear (Republican) George Ryan had done to the state's public library budget years ago when he was Lieutenant Governor/State Librarian... money that ended up in his pocket or in his friends'? Prison is too good for him.

[inthebox]

Hey Wondergirl ;What will your library do when the nanny state mandates next year that you dismantle your children's room and replace ALL the books ? Does your library have the funds for the transition ?
ALA | American Libraries - Children's Books Get One-Year Stay from Anti-Lead Law

Maybe there are funds in this mega bucket list bill that deals with this ? Maybe if they had taken a second to think about how they were going to spend our money instead of how much they think they can plunder then they would have considered priorities . What is more important ? Spending money on ensuring that people with analogue TVs can switch to digital so they can watch American Idol ....or perhaps maybe helping libraries make this transition ?

I have seen your comments about Roosevelt's grandson . He is not alone .

Even before this recession there was a growing debate among historians about the effectiveness of the New Deal . Yes there are some that claim the New Deal failed because he did not go ultra-Keynsian .

Here's an ironic quote for you :
“practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist” (John Maynard Keynes )

Many of us think Roosevelt's policies failed because it is stupid to take money from the private sector and pump it back into the private sector with the government mandating how it gets spent.

Typical liberal thinking is that if something fails it is self evident that we need more of it.

The common denominator between the two schools of thought however is that Roosevelt's New Deal failed . After 8 years the country was no better off economically than it was when he entered office. Bottom line the New Deal did little or nothing to resuscitate the economy and there is absolutely no evidence that more spending would've made a difference .

If not for WWII he would've ended his Presidency then after 8 years ,a failure in the eyes of history.

So will Obama need to get us into more war to save us from his stimulus bill :rolleyes:;)




G&P

[tomder55]

In

I don't see Obama going 4 years without some foreign policy challenge that requires force. Even the beloved Bill Clintoon couldn't avoid it ,and in fact waged "wars of choice".

Look at my posting about the new intel analysis of Iran's nuclear development. Now that the hawkish Bushies are out it is safe for them to confirm the truth about Iranian bomb development. Add to that the news last week that Iran launched a satellite proving they have the capability to launch ballistic weapons and the threat has just increased. Obama can try his appeasment or at his chosing get belligerent . He now has the cover for both.

[tomder55]

Ex
I don't plan on going back to all my posts to dig up the times I opposed expansion of government in the last 8 years. The major one was Medicare Part B . That was the only permanent expansion of entitlements . You are free to dig up the posting where I supported that or any other gvt. Spending increases beyond paying for the War against Jihadistan.

My comments on this post responds to the assertion that the New Deal failed because not enough was spent on the effort. Is that your position also ?

[George_1950]

...I don't plan on going back to all my posts to dig up the times I opposed expansion of government in the last 8 years. The major one was Medicare Part B . That was the only permanent expansion of entitlements .

Point of clarification, with respect, I believe you mean Medicare Part D, which is the entitledment advanced by Bush.

Medicare has four parts

Hospital insurance (Part A) that helps pay for inpatient care in a hospital or skilled nursing facility (following a hospital stay), some home health care and hospice care.

Medical insurance (Part B) that helps pay for doctors’ services and many other medical services and supplies that are not covered by hospital insurance.

Medicare Advantage (Part C) plans are available in many areas. People with Medicare Parts A and B can choose to receive all of their health care services through one of these provider organizations under Part C.

Prescription drug coverage (Part D) that helps pay for medications doctors prescribe for treatment.

Medicare