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    Feb 11, 2009, 05:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    A lot of bills are crap. Welcome to America. Greasing somebody's palm shouldn't be any surprise. I suspect you saw the last five seconds before halftime of the Super Bowl. Anytime loads of lettuce is involved things can happen. The PUBS do so for top percentage wage earners and the DEMS will throw money at anything. There's no revelation here.
    So you're FOR the crap. That's no revelation either, Bobby.
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    Feb 11, 2009, 10:24 AM

    Speaking of feces: "Republicans have caught the Democrats in a midnight “stimulus” power play that seeks to cut Republican conferees out of the House-Senate negotiations to resolve a final version of the Obama “stimulus” package. Staff members from the offices of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Ca.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) met last night to put together the “stimulus” conference report."
    Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations - HUMAN EVENTS
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    Feb 11, 2009, 10:36 AM
    Hello George:

    It was Obama who talked about bi-partisanship - not the congress. I know, it's a drag to be shut out...

    But, your presidential candidate, John McCain, admitted on camera that shutting out the opposition WAS the way THEY did it when THEY were in control. And, of course, that's exactly what they DID. So, you'll excuse me if I don't take your wounded outrage too seriously...

    But, I reiterate... That lefty Pelosi never promised bi-partisanship, and she ain't delivering it either...

    Like I said, being shut out sucks... Maybe if you had won enough votes to make your party MATTER, but you didn't, did you?

    excon
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    Feb 11, 2009, 10:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    So you're FOR the crap. That's no revelation either, Bobby.

    Stephen B. Quickdraw, your so fast to react off the cuff. Your wife deserves a gold medal for having the patience to put up with your bloated heat. Most of the adult voting public already knows the stimulus package needs to focus on meat and cut the fat! Especially the bad cholestrol fat, example: doorbell bills. The fact is though we need to stimulate the economy, or suffer the consequnces by passively watching more people head to the unemployment line. I recognize WE are going to get some fat, both from the Pubs and Dems, just with a different approach of excuses that will effect certain classes. At times your way to narrow minded for me, nothing personal though.
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    Feb 11, 2009, 11:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    Stephen B. Quickdraw, your so fast to react off the cuff. Your wife deserves a gold medal for having the patience to put up with your bloated heat.
    Bobby, leave my wife out of this. Perhaps if I hadn't been familiar with your politics already it might be "off the cuff," but since I am familiar I find it fascinating that you would be so willing to justify whatever crap the Dems throw our way. I'm sure if this crap were coming from Bush your tone would be entirely different. I on the other hand am not willing to just throw up my arms and say "oh, what the hell, we're going to crap anyway so let's bring on the Generational Theft Act of 2009." I'd be equally against this if the designation behind the bill was an R, but I guess that's too "narrow minded" for you.
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    Feb 11, 2009, 11:18 AM

    Please name just one example where government has EVER been able to stimulate anything? Except maybe it's own over inflated ego.
    If the government really really wanted to stimulate the economy, why not cut taxes for a year? Or how about getting out of the way of business so they could actually conduct business?
    Whether people ant to admit or not, it was tax cuts that got us out of the last mess that the carter administration got us into. Yes, both sides have equal blame for the mess we are in now. It was not just one man, it was the entire Congress, BOTH HOUSES made this mess, and now they are ramming more of the same down the throats of us all. Who is going to pay for this? Our children and their children sadly.
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    Feb 11, 2009, 11:22 AM

    Stimulus? Provide funds for banks to lend? What if Obama and crew have yelled "wolf" so loudly and long that potential home buyers are AFRAID to buy at this time? How do you correct this? The increase in unemployment began just after the election. The left has scared too many people into survival mode. Of course, those on the public dole are not scared. Probably because they do not understand!
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    Feb 11, 2009, 11:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Bobby, leave my wife out of this. Perhaps if I hadn't been familiar with your politics already it might be "off the cuff," but since I am familiar I find it fascinating that you would be so willing to justify whatever crap the Dems throw our way. I'm sure if this crap were coming from Bush your tone would be entirely different. I on the other hand am not willing to just throw up my arms and say "oh, what the hell, we're going to crap anyway so let's bring on the Generational Theft Act of 2009." I'd be equally against this if the designation behind the bill was an R, but I guess that's too "narrow minded" for you.

    Mr. Hot-Head, she has to live with you, I don't. You're not going to cut all the fat on the Hill, they simply see it as negotiations, although regardles that it's at our expense. I'm speaking about both parties. BTW theft didn't bother you enough to stop voting for Bush, TWICE! And YES, at times, you are narrow minded.
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    #69

    Feb 11, 2009, 11:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    Mr. Hot-Head, she has to live with you, I don't. You're not going to cut all the fat on the Hill, they simply see it as negotiations, although regardles that it's at our expense. I'm speaking about both parties. BTW theft didn't bother you enough to stop voting for Bush, TWICE! And YES, at times, you are narrow minded.
    Call me (incorrectly as it is) what you like, but I don't drag your family into this so leave my wife out of it. Nobody said "cut all the fat," but I know a horrible bill when I see one and this is about as horrible as they come. Considering the alternative, I no qualms about my votes... especially seeing how the Dems are screwing things up so badly so quickly.
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    Feb 11, 2009, 01:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Call me (incorrectly as it is) what you like, but I don't drag your family into this so leave my wife out of it. Nobody said "cut all the fat," but I know a horrible bill when I see one and this is about as horrible as they come. Considering the alternative, I no qualms about my votes...especially seeing how the Dems are screwing things up so badly so quickly.

    Screwed up what so quickly? If you're trying to make a case for the PUBS to return to power with the many seats they've lost, forget it. I'm still laughing at their stubbornness and demise. If anything they will continue to wallow in their uneducated drivel, their unhealthy biases, and then sink even further. The pendulum is swinging the other direction and not necessarily to my satisfaction either. But I find it very typical of you and few others to gum the board to death without any provocative solutions.
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    Feb 11, 2009, 02:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    Screwed up what so quickly?! If you're trying to make a case for the PUBS to return to power with the many seats they've lost, forget it. I'm still laughing at their stubbornness and demise. If anything they will continue to wallow in their uneducated drivel, their unhealthy biases, and then sink even further. The pendulum is swinging the other direction and not necessarily to my satisfaction either. But I find it very typical of you and few others to gum the board to death without any provocative solutions.
    I guess you missed this. The public thinks random people picked out of a phone book could do a better job on the economy than this congress, so you be the big man and convince them how great a job they're doing and how wonderful this "provocative" spending bill is.
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    #72

    Feb 11, 2009, 03:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I guess you missed this. The public thinks random people picked out of a phone book could do a better job on the economy than this congress, so you be the big man and convince them how great a job they're doing and how wonderful this "provocative" spending bill is.

    And where was your solution?? Are you really this boring all the time? Please! If I could send had sent Pelosi and GW Bush on a one way ticket into deep space, I'd done so years ago. In fact it should be a large enough shuttle to accommodate most of the DEM and PUB elected congress.
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    #73

    Feb 11, 2009, 03:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    And of court the othe part of the statement

    "Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? "
    WHAT?? :confused:
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    Feb 11, 2009, 03:19 PM
    Gee Bobby, I never claimed to be an economist, why the heck should I offer the solution? That makes as much sense as asking this congress, Obama, his tax cheats and those administration officials that were laughed at to come up with a solution. Would you want your plumber to do your next colonoscopy? I’m guessing not because even though you aren’t a gastroenterologist you probably know that wouldn’t be a good idea. I may not be an economist but I know a truly horrible “solution” when I see one.
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    Feb 11, 2009, 03:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Gee Bobby, I never claimed to be an economist, why the heck should I offer the solution? I may not be an economist but I know a truly horrible “solution” when I see one.
    NO you don't. You voted for GW Bush a second time. And you voted for John McCain even after the senile old windbag admitted that economics was not his strong suit.
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    Feb 11, 2009, 03:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    NO you don't. You voted for GW Bush a second time. And you voted for John McCain even after the senile old windbag admitted that economics was not his strong suit.
    If you'd pull your head out for a minute you might actually be able to comprehend. I never claimed Bush or McCain were the solution to anything. In fact, unlike the clueless Democrat constituency that's so blindly in love with Obama I don't put ANY hope in government. But they did and this is the pathetic mess they're getting for it and they deserve it... but the rest of us don't and our kids and grandkids certainly don't deserve to have their future stolen from them by these idiots running the show now. Time will tell the story, and I fully expect to be vindicated for my opposition to this "stimulus" package.
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    Feb 11, 2009, 04:39 PM

    Actually I find your recent posts partisan in nature and laced with bias overtones. But mainly I find the k'vetching on this political forum to be boring, noneducational, nonproductive discussions, with few, if any solutions presented. I also see your position (and there are others here), on a personal trip with that "vindication" thing parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency. However since I don't spend much time on this site since the election, perhaps my view has been skewed from your finer works, if they exist. I've got to take my son to his cousins house for a birthday party. Nothing personal though. Say "bye."
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    Feb 12, 2009, 01:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    Actually I find your recent posts partisan in nature and laced with bias overtones. But mainly I find the k'vetching on this political forum to be boring, noneducational, nonproductive discussions, with few, if any solutions presented. I also see your position (and there are others here), on a personal trip with that "vindication" thing parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency. However since I don't spend much time on this site since the election, perhaps my view has been skewed from your finer works, if they exist. I've got to take my son to his cousins house for a birthday party. Nothing personal though. Say "bye."
    Sadly, it seems that the same people who's positions don't change keep arguing over and over again. At times I wonder why I spend my energy here (and I expend much less than most in the political topics).

    I would like to say, in the narrow window of my time at this site I have found that Speech is one of the few who can actually articulate, understand and even empathize with his opponents position while arguing what he thinks is right. As for the parroting, we all do it to some degree as our respective media information sources fill the dead space between the facts with opinion that we aren't always immune from.

    I would like to say though that I finally get how disappointed and upset Bush supporters have been over the attacks on him; whether they were deserved or not, and I have been a harsh Bush critic. Now that my candidate is President, it's not easy to see him attacked by his opponents. I suppose some of the K'vetching on the part of the now loyal opposition is in part payback for the rough ride Bush had.

    Anyway, most people need a place to get their thoughts out; what good are they doing if they are kept bottled up in your head... :D (I think we all hope that with enough talk we will change some minds; maybe not today or tomorrow, but someday; in part to affirm ourselves and to be able to say I told you so to one more person. The ego, such a greedy little bugger... lol.
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    Feb 12, 2009, 05:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM View Post
    Actually I find your recent posts partisan in nature and laced with bias overtones. But mainly I find the k'vetching on this political forum to be boring, noneducational, nonproductive discussions, with few, if any solutions presented. I also see your position (and there are others here), on a personal trip with that "vindication" thing parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency. However since I don't spend much time on this site since the election, perhaps my view has been skewed from your finer works, if they exist. I've got to take my son to his cousins house for a birthday party. Nothing personal though. Say "bye."
    LOL, seems you've become so enamored with insulting me in the past year that you don't actually know what I've said, like this extremely partisan, biased thought just a few posts ago...

    I'd be equally against this if the designation behind the bill was an R, but I guess that's too "narrow minded" for you.
    The world has definitely been turned upside down when opposing nonsense from either party is partisan and biased. It's especially interesting to see ardent Bush, McCain and "anyone who may have voted for them" bashers complain of the "k'vetching" around here. But if it all bores you then no one is asking you to stick around, we'll do just fine in keeping up the tradition of holding the powers that be accountable without you.

    And by the way, I didn't realize my ability to form my own opinion of an awful spending bill and use the word "vindication" without assistance was "parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency." I know guys like you don't believe we're able to think for ourselves but I am, and I do give credit where credit is due.

    P.S. Thanks again Tex, people such as yourself make it a pleasure to be around here.
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    Feb 12, 2009, 06:54 AM

    Seems to me that the bipartisan reaction to the President's overall performance to date ;including the Geithner poor performance is generally negative.

    Take Howard Kurtz from the Washington Compost.
    Howard Kurtz - Vote of No Confidence - washingtonpost.com
    He has quotes from different sources ,many who are supportive of the President ,who suggest a certain skepticism about his plan's possible effect.

    According to Kurtz ,the markets, nor the Left or Right like it. But we are apparently not permitted to voice our concerns. We should shut up because he "won" .
    I don't think so.

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