[George_1950]

From Politico: "...Politico has learned that tomorrow Americans United for Change, a liberal group, will begin airing radio ads in three states Obama won — Ohio, Pennsylvania and Nevada — with a tough question aimed at the GOP senators there: Will you side with Obama or Rush Limbaugh?...
"'Every Republican voted with Limbaugh — and against creating 4 million new American jobs. We can understand why a extreme partisan like Rush Limbaugh wants President Obama’s Jobs program to fail — but the members of Congress elected to represent the citizens in their districts? That’s another matter. Now the Obama plan goes to the Senate, and the question is: Will our Senator'—here the ad is tailored by state to name George Voinovich in Ohio, Arlen Specter in Pennsylvania, and John Ensign in Nevada—'side with Rush Limbaugh too?'"
Let us remember that liberals don't need a single conservative vote if the stimulus-pork-bill gets to the floor of the senate.

[tomder55]

Unfortunately there are enough Republicans in the Senate who are more than ready to make their reputations by how often they cross the aisle and vote with the Democrats. When the smoke clears the Dems. Will have the "bipartisan legislation" CYA when this budget increase disquised as a stimulus plan fails to improve the economy.

[450donn]

And in two years we can get rid of those liberals once and for all. Starting in Nevada with Harry Reid.
Remember this very clearly, The current congress under the leadership of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi currently have an approval rating of around 8%. That should mean to every citizen of the United States that every member of congress is vulnerable and needs to be replaced as soon as possible,

[George_1950]

And in two years we can get rid of those liberals once and for all. Starting in Nevada with Harry Reid.

As George Bush showed so very well, we can't defeat liberals by agreeing with them. Check this: "The president (Obama) has a winning political formula. Show up for all the big fights and get the rhetoric right, because the base needs the big fights and the rhetoric. If only Republicans could match this style." National Review Online

[tomder55]

McCarthy has some good points. It helps that President Obama had a compliant press that did not put Holder and Geitner on the front page for days at a time . It also helps that the conservative meme since the election (except Rush Limbaugh ) was that they had to help him succeed . The Republican standard bearer in the last election was one of the 1st to whip the ranks into line. He will lead the "gang of (fill in the number) " who will vote for this bucket list legislation because the over-hyped 'crisis' trumps partisanship.

[excon]

Let us remember that liberals don't need a single conservative vote if the stimulus-pork-bill gets to the floor of the senate.

Hello George:

That would be because conservatives LOST the ability make law, when their conservative economic philosophy went into the dumper along with the economy (and caused conservatives to LOSE the election - BIGTIME).

I don't know about you, but cheering for a FAILED and BANKRUPT economic policy is kind of nutty. But, what do I know?

excon

[tomder55]

And what would've happened if candidate Obama and the Democrats had campaigned that the plan for the economy was to rapidly increase budgetary spending to the tune of over $ trillion ;fill the budget with every pork provision the Democrats can conceive and get it passed in his 1st week in office ?

My guess is that perhaps the election would've been different .

The things I heard from the Democrats and Obama was "tax cuts" for ninety something precent of Americans and ushering in a new era of fiscal responsibility .

[excon]

The things I heard from the Democrats and Obama was "tax cuts" for ninety something precent of Americans and ushering in a new era of fiscal responsibility .

Hello tom:

And then the Bush depression got thrown in his lap...

Did you forget that? How is it, that you guys are so disconnected?

excon

[George_1950]

Hello tom:

And then the Bush depression got thrown in his lap....

Did you forget that? How is it, that you guys are so disconnected?

excon

Calling the current economic mess the 'Bush depression' is nutty. Bush has been, at most, a believer of a 'mixed' economy, and certainly not a capitalist, except in name only.

[450donn]

Hello tom:

And then the Bush depression got thrown in his lap....

Did you forget that? How is it, that you guys are so disconnected?

excon

Sorry EC you are again wrong!
President Bush had a pretty good economy throughout his entire 8 years in office, It was not until the last two years with a Democrat run congress that things went into the toilet as you say. Who has an 8% approval rating? It is the demogog let congress by the biggest spender of all nancy peliso who demands a monster personal jet to fly her home every weekend. Please wake up and smell the poo you are spewing and quit reading the newspapers. They are giving you a dark stain on your reputation

[NeedKarma]

Calling the current economic mess the 'Bush depression' is nutty.

Dude, you just started a thread calling all liberals nutty, you're in no position to tell someone what they can or cannot do.

[Fr_Chuck]

And sadly it is all a lie about Rush, his comment was that if Obama was trying to make this a socialist nation, he hoped he failed, he never said he wanted the job programs to fail.

Shows how scared the libs are,

[George_1950]

Dude, you just started a thread calling all liberals nutty, you're in no position to tell someone what they can or cannot do.

I'll just refer you to this observation about the 'Bush depression'; I mean, that would be giving him a lot of credit, or blame. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ts-308015.html

[NeedKarma]

And sadly it is all a lie about Rush, his comment was that if Obama was trying to make this a socialist nation, he hoped he failed, he never said he wanted the job programs to fail.

It's no lie, you are distorting it. From his own site: Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails

Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it.

[tomder55]

Bush depression ? Lol next you'll be giving us the malaise speech .

Oh yeah I know that it serves the Obot's interest and agenda to talk down the economy. But depression ?

We have not had enough bad quarters yet to qualify a recession yet. Yes the last quarter of 2008 had negative growth of 3.8% and the 2nd quarter was down 0.5 % ;but overall 2008 still had positive GDP growth. Currently unemployment is about 7.6% ;not even approaching 1970s double digits.

By comparison during the 1930s Depression, unemployment was 25% and wages were cut in half on average for people who held jobs. . Total U.S. economic output fell from $103 to $55 billion and world fell 65% .

I guess since we haven't experienced anything except expansion since Reagan we have forgotten . But you'll know when you are in a "depression" .

[Fr_Chuck]

And of court the othe part of the statement

"Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? "

[NeedKarma]

Who is "them"? And what is wrong with liberalism?

[speechlesstx]

Hello tom:

And then the Bush depression got thrown in his lap....

Did you forget that? How is it, that you guys are so disconnected?

What disconnect? We're disconnected for refreshing folk's memories on Obama's campaign rhetoric and promises? Gee, I've heard as recently as last week about how Bush promised bipartisanship in 2000, we can't speak of promises made a few months ago after the economy tanked?

In the final debate, just after saying "we are experiencing the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression," he wanted to "provide a tax credit for every company that's creating a job right here in America." What does sodding the National Mall have to do with tax credits for businesses.

His second plan was "let's help families right away by providing them a tax cut -- a middle-class tax cut for people making less than $200,000, and let's allow them to access their IRA accounts without penalty if they're experiencing a crisis." How does millions for the arts and groups like ACORN fit that criteria?

He then emphasized again, "I want to provide a tax cut for 95 percent of working Americans, 95 percent," followed by "Not only do 98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000, but I also want to give them additional tax breaks, because they are the drivers of the economy." A billion dollars for Amtrak, is that the kind of small business he was referring to? Or how about the $600 million for purchase of federal vehicles?

He added, "And we've got to get the financial package working much quicker than it has been working." Since most of this money won't be spent until 2010 or later, how is that quicker?

And finally, this gem, "What I want to emphasize, though, is that I have been a strong proponent of pay-as- you-go. Every dollar that I've proposed, I've proposed an additional cut so that it matches." Is that in this "stimulus" package?

We're not disconnected at all, we intend to hold him accountable just as you intend to still hold Bush accountable.

[TexasParent]

Sorry EC you are again wrong!
President Bush had a pretty good economy throughout his entire 8 years in office, It was not until the last two years with a Democrat run congress that things went into the toilet as you say. Who has an 8% approval rating? It is the demogog let congress by the biggest spender of all nancy peliso who demands a monster personal jet to fly her home every weekend. Please wake up and smell the poo you are spewing and quit reading the newspapers. They are giving you a dark stain on your reputation

Whatever you call economic growth during the Bush Presidency was bought on the credit card of the national debt and deficit spending. Geez...I could create jobs in my town if someone let me spend money I don't have.

The bill for the reckless spending of money we didn't have and turning a blind eye to those in the financial services sector while they lined their pockets bundling worthless paper into investment vehicles finally caught up with Bush. His only mistake is that it caught up with him 4 months too early so he couldn't blame it on the Democrats.

[tomder55]

This vote was just the tip of the iceberg. Obama wants to recreate the RTC of the 1980s S&L days under what they are calling a "bad bank" . He's going to want the Republicans in the fold for that vote for the political cover also .

That means he will continue to invite Republicans in for Schmooze secessions like cocktails and wagyu steaks... or SuperBowl parties in the Oval office with tropical themes (80 degrees or more ) .

It is not then in his interest to have the stupids in Congress threaten the Republicans Senators over their upcoming budget vote. Time for President Obama to show madame Mimi and Harry Reid who's the boss (if he really is)