[DonaldM_23]

If Biden was chosen by Obama to cover the lack of foreign policy experience. So why was Palin chosen as McCain running mate?

[tomder55]

That's easy . I gave my opinion why in my first response.

McCain's selection of Palin satisfies the base of the party and leaves McCain free to court the centrist in America.

I will also add that energy is a big issue and Palin has been very active as the Guv of Alaska in adding to the nations energy supply. She also has taken on the establishment Republicans in her state and McCain likes to think himself (and there is much truth to this) as a maverick who doesn't mind taking on his own party ;and crossing over to work with the Democrats.

In my response I made no secret that the Republican brand is damaged and although he was not my first choice; the Republican may have stumbled on to the right candidate for the times. McCain is perhaps the only Republican who had a chance this election cycle because he is not easily identified with the last 8 years (despite the lame attempt by Obama to paint McCain as Bush III)

[tandemsforus]

We have been getting off target here, its easy to do. The question was"Are the dems to soft to win this election"
My answer is no

It seems as if the dems lately have been reading the Carl Rove playbook.
I saw that last week 77% of Dem ads were negative while 66% of rep ads were negative.
Both candidates said going in this was to be a clean election.
Its going to get even worse in the next few weeks, it seems as if the dems are not standing by this time waiting to get "Swift boated". It's been proven that negative ads work.

And DonaldM_23
Could you tell me where you heard/read where HRC said she was more qualifed to be VP

[tomder55]

Some trivia :
With all Due respect to Karl Rove ,he is a rank amateur compared to the fathers of mud slinging dirty campaigning... Jefferson and Adams.

Jefferson's campaign accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."

Adams' campaign called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."

Adams was labeled a fool, a hypocrite, a criminal, and a tyrant, while Jefferson was labeled a weakling, an atheist, a libertine, and a coward.

Back then the news papers were the blogs of their time ,and the campaigns made good use of them. James Callendar was Jefferson's Rove. He started a ridiculous slander that Adams wanted a war with France. Later he turned on Jefferson and began the Sally Hemming rumors that turned out to be true.

Hard to believe these 2 American icons were the best of friends .As a side note they both died on the same day ;the 4th of July on the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. Adams last words? "Thomas Jefferson still survives"

[DonaldM_23]

[QUOTE=tandemsforus]We have been getting off target here, its easy to do. The question was"Are the dems to soft to win this election"
My answer is no

It seems as if the dems lately have been reading the Carl Rove playbook.
I saw that last week 77% of Dem ads were negative while 66% of rep ads were negative.
Both candidates said going in this was to be a clean election.
Its going to get even worse in the next few weeks, it seems as if the dems are not standing by this time waiting to get "Swift boated". It's been proven that negative ads work.

And DonaldM_23
Could you tell me where you heard/read where HRC said she was more qualifed to be VP[/QUOTE
I never said she would be more qualified. She has silently implied that she would be a better choice for the VP spot.

[BABRAM]

Bobby
Lynn Forester De Rothschild now supporting McCain .That is a major PUMA defection .

What I am interested in is if Evita's sudden decline to address the anti-Mahdi Hatter Rally in NY Monday is marching orders from BO ? If it's true then she is still in his camp. But her support for him has been tepid at best and she has done little to convince PUMAs to support Zeus .

Boo-hoo "Tom." The Obama camp lost a "Rothschild." She was a Hillary supporter that jumped fence from the Dems when she found out that Obama's tax plan didn't give her 600 million dollars worth the break that John McCain's would, because McCain is going to look out for the upper class. Yes! Another upper class Rothschild that is a perfect representation of the John and Cindy McCain good old buddy network. Bye-Bye and so-long to "Lynn Forester De Rothschild" don't let the door hit in the cheeks on the way out. I'm only interested in substantive issues.

[Galveston1]

Substantive issues? Would that be like the transfer of wealth from the pockets of those that have it to the pockets of those who don't?

Don't get me wrong, I qualify as a "nearly" have not, but nobody owes me anything if I don't earn it. Obama's talk about giving everyone checks, or bigger refunds when they pay no tax to begin with is just a cheap political trick to buy votes from the dumb-masses.

[NeedKarma]

Substantive issues? Would that be like the transfer of wealth from the pockets of those that have it to the pockets of those who don't?

But isn't that the Christian way? Are you not Christian?

[tomder55]

Actually no it is not the Christian way to pick someone's pockets. Charity that is not voluntary is not charity at all. There is no virtue in saying that my tax money pays for institutions of charity and there is no virtue to compel someone to contribute against their wishes. The Bibledoes not say "thou shalt not steal except by majority vote. " We are instructed to pay our taxes ;but we are not instructed to like it.

[BABRAM]

Substantive issues? Would that be like the transfer of wealth from the pockets of those that have it to the pockets of those who don't?

Don't get me wrong, I qualify as a "nearly" have not, but nobody owes me anything if I don't earn it. Obama's talk about giving everyone checks, or bigger refunds when they pay no tax to begin with is just a cheap political trick to buy votes from the dumb-masses.

Huh? Galv, next year send your refund to c/o Lynn Forester De Rothschild. In fact why don't you hand deliver to her at her mansion at Ascott House, the country estate in Buckinghamshire about 46 miles north of London. I get a kick out of people, especially hard working "nearly have not" folk, that work their tails off and at the end of the day are bothered by Obama, for the fact that the wealthy affluent would be taxed at a higher upper class rate. You'd propose all those programs in Washington are completely trifle waste, but it's OK run up a debt on a wrong war and give breaks to big corporations that stuff executive bonus stocking every year, scale back, or send jobs overseas. No wonder we've become a nation of trickle down economic believing fools and poor thinking slaves that relish in helping the Bush's and McCain's build Mexico part II. Bwa ha ha ha... Wall Street goes belly up, the Fed tries to use stop gap measures, and you watch your investments sink.

[Galveston1]

Actually, I won't get a refund, as I don't pay taxes now that I am retired. (I don't make enough). Something that seems to get lost in all this is that for example, my youngest son got a much better deal after the Bush tax cuts, and he sure ain't rich. Everything works on percentage, so of course, rich people get more dollars cut than poorer working class people do. But, hey! The only classless societies are all slaves, except for the pigs who are more equal than anyone else. (Not talking about the police!)

PS. A big factor is that I simply don't believe Obama when he says only the rich are going to be taxed more. If he gets his way, a whole lot of people are going to find out they are a lot richer than they thought they were.

[BABRAM]

The only classless societies are all slaves, except for the pigs who are more equal than anyone else. (Not talking about the police!)

Pigs wearing lipstick. :)

[tandemsforus]

Donald_23 on sept you stated " H. Clinton is telling the world he would be the better choice"
Then on Sept 18th you said "she silently implied she is the better choice"
Does this mean she feels ESP is the way to talk to the world? Just bypass the press and go straight to ESP? Faster and cheaper I guess..

[tandemsforus]

As to who will be paying more taxes, My question, how are we going to pay off an 11 trillion debt without raising taxes on everyone. I guess we could devalue to dollar to the point where 11 trillion dollars has no value. If I rember we pay about 18% of our taxes just to pay interest on the debt we now have, let alone the extra 1 trillion we are getting ourselves into over the current crises. I mean isn't it kind of silly asking who might pay more when the truth is we ALL will.

[BABRAM]

Any astute observer accepting the candidates proposals as is, acknowledge that John McCain will do what the Pubs have done consistently in the past and that is provide tax breaks for the wealthier. How McCain and Obama will change your tax bill - Jun. 11, 2008

[Galveston1]

Well, Bobby, maybe. But I know some time card punchers that are better off since the Bush tax cuts.

[BABRAM]

Yes. But they don't have to punch cards... they are called CEO's.

[sGt HarDKorE]

Well, Bobby, maybe. But I know some time card punchers that are better off since the Bush tax cuts.

What about all the card punchers in the automotive industry? Thousands are being laid off. I doubt you know more "card punchers" doing good than the amount of workers laid off.

[NeedKarma]

Obama is getting a little tougher:

[DonaldM_23]

To sum every thing up, the demoractic party has shown the world that it's time for adult supervision in the white house. Let admitt it "McCain is full of Sugar Honey Ice Tea" The debates bluntly show us that, but we need reform and change.