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    #101

    Aug 12, 2013, 02:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by freeman4 View Post
    And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:7-9).
    And that took place when?
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    #102

    Aug 12, 2013, 02:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    And that took place when?
    It happened back before creation and will happen again soon.
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    #103

    Aug 12, 2013, 02:41 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by freeman4 View Post
    It happened back before creation and will happen again soon.
    How do you know it happened at all? And will happen again?
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    #104

    Aug 12, 2013, 05:46 PM
    It seems that you are not in lightened at all on scripture or you are just trying be funny, I have never seen anyone so out of it as for having any knowledge at all about what is in the Bible .It does not matter what is given at all. I am out of here.
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    #105

    Aug 12, 2013, 05:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by freeman4 View Post
    It seems that you are not in lightened at all on scripture or you are just trying be funny, I have never seen anyone so out of it as for having any knowledge at all about what is in the Bible .It does not matter what is given at all. I am out of here.
    There is no evidence any visions in the Book of Revelation happened before the Creation.
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    #106

    Aug 12, 2013, 06:21 PM
    Of course, the thread ends up with people arguing about Revelation.
    Can we be anymore irrelevant?
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    #107

    Aug 12, 2013, 06:22 PM
    It is a 5 year old thread... but I was kind of noticing that as well...
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    #108

    Aug 12, 2013, 06:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by hauntinghelper View Post
    It is a 5 year old thread....but I was kind of noticing that as well...
    I've been busy closing the other old threads freeman has resurrected.
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    #109

    Aug 12, 2013, 07:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    I am out of here.
    Let's hope he means it this time.
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    #110

    Aug 12, 2013, 08:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by dwashbur View Post
    Let's hope he means it this time.
    You're the one who came back to me.
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    #111

    Aug 12, 2013, 08:22 PM
    I know you are, but what am I?

    Seriously?
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    #112

    Aug 13, 2013, 02:43 AM
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    In Geneses everything was re furbished, made new in six days. Everything was put back in order because of a war type situation between God and Satan when Satan tried to take Gods Throne.


    Well, Freeman, I've been re-reading the Revelation 12:7-12 and I cannot find any reference whatsoever to the Creation. Perhaps you would not mind indicating how on earth did you get to that conclusion.

    On the other hand, you seem to skip the subject of Adam and Eve. Do you really take seriously that Eve came out of Adam's rib and that he was the first man on earth? And what about the beautiful Lillith, the alleged Adam's first wife, according to Isaiah 34:14, which reads "which reads: “The wild cat shall meet with the jackals, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow, yea, Lilith shall repose there and find her a place of rest.” The Dead Sea Scrolls and/or the Babylonian Hebraic Talmud also speak of her, so what is this another legend or something to believe literally?

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    #113

    Aug 13, 2013, 03:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    quote:
    In Geneses everything was re furbished, made new in six days. Everything was put back in order because of a war type situation between God and Satan when Satan tried to take Gods Throne.


    Well, Freeman, I've been re-reading the Revelation 12:7-12 and I cannot find any reference whatsoever to the Creation. Perhaps you would not mind indicating how on earth did you get to that conclusion.

    On the other hand, you seem to skip the subject of Adam and Eve. Do you really take seriously that Eve came out of Adam's rib and that he was the first man on earth? And what about the beautiful Lillith, the alleged Adam's first wife, according to Isaiah 34:14, which reads "which reads: “The wild cat shall meet with the jackals, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow, yea, Lilith shall repose there and find her a place of rest.” The Dead Sea Scrolls and/or the Babylonian Hebraic Talmud also speak of her, so what is this another legend or something to believe literally?

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    I have no commit because you would not understand it anyway.
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    #114

    Aug 13, 2013, 09:02 AM
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    I have no commit because you would not understand it anyway.
    First, what's a "commit"? Last I heard, that word is a verb. Second, this is always the last resort of those who can't actually defend their material: aw, you wouldn't understand anyway. So I won't bother. Internally the statement is more like "I have no idea what to say here, so I'll just insult the other person's intelligence and then go off and pat myself on the back for a job well done."

    This is the age of instant information. Nobody buys that cop-out any more.
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    #115

    Aug 13, 2013, 11:20 AM
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    I have no commit because you would not understand it anyway.

    Sorry, Freeman, my English is not that good I do not understand the word "commit".

    I do understand, however, that you don't know how to answer me, so let's forget the whole thing and call it a day, OK?

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    #116

    Aug 14, 2013, 01:37 PM
    I feel like I'm a pretty smart guy. Perhaps I'll understand your explanation... never know till you try.
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    #117

    Aug 15, 2013, 04:12 AM
    I hope you have an open mind enough to check out these things.

    To make fun of individuals is all that some know how to do for misspelling a word, that shows real character by others.
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    #118

    Aug 15, 2013, 04:20 AM
    Sorry Freeman,

    All I can do is to refer you to Dashbur's answer 114, of Aug. 13th.

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    #119

    Aug 15, 2013, 05:22 AM
    I do not think I am the insulting one, all I did was post some information but evidently it was not to your liking. Was not to your standards. What you believe is you, what I believe is me. Until one comes at me to say I know nothing about what I talk about is not a very Christian a very good Christian snowman ship.

    You keep saying show me, show me and when I do you say I do not know nothing because it is not to your likeness. I am sorry for you for I do not see a Christian attitude their at all. When I post, I do not post to change anyone because I could not if I wanted, only God can do that. Not man.

    There are some here I am able to converse with and I will continue to do so.
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    #120

    Aug 15, 2013, 06:28 AM
    Freeman4,

    I agree they shouldn't have made fun of you. It was mean spirited. I don't always spell everything perfectly either. I think your theology is screwy but I don't like personal attacks either. Just saying

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