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    Jul 8, 2008, 11:54 AM
    Obama wants to change nat'l anthem?
    I recently received this in an email. Any comments?

    If this isn't disgusting, then I don't know what is!! To give this kind of an explanation tells me he thinks most Americans can't read, see, or comprehend what this man is about.
    The comment really nails it!

    'LTG Bill Ginn' USAF retired forwarded:

    Hot on the heels of his explanation for why he no longer wears a flag pin, presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama was forced to explain why doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
    According to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171,
    "During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart."

    'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides, 'Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it. ' I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial.. ' - Barack Obama.

    Comment:
    If someone had told me 64 years ago, as I was roaring down the runway in the most beautiful airplane in the world, that I would see our country subjected to one of the most disgusting Presidential elections imaginable, I would have told them they were crazy as hell...
    What in the world have we come to? And, Obama wants to be the leader of the
    American Military?! Commander in Chief??

    HOW DID HE GET THIS FAR??

    If you agree , forward to everyone you know.

    It is inconceivable that he be our next President.
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    Jul 8, 2008, 11:57 AM
    Kerry was inconceivable too that is how we ended up with Bush

    Now McCain being inconceivable is going to get Obama in

    Our entire political party is inconceivable and just keeps on conceiving worse bad apples.
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    Jul 8, 2008, 12:51 PM
    Yes believe every spam email I bet you believe you won that 10,000 from africa also??
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    Jul 8, 2008, 12:55 PM
    Of course I don't believe those. This one I got from someone I know, and I was just wondering if anyone had any evidence to verify it or otherwise. So far just opinions, no evidence one way or the other, but opinions are welcome too. =)
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    Jul 8, 2008, 12:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
    yes beleive every spam email I bet you beleive you won that 10,000 from africa also ????
    I didn't 'win 10,000 from Africa. I got a proposal from Nigeria that if I sent him money he would send me money back to put into a business venture with him and then he would come marry me. LOL
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    Jul 8, 2008, 01:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by N0help4u
    I didn't 'win 10,000 from Africa. I got a proposal from Nigeria that if I sent him money he would send me money back to put into a business venture with him and then he would come marry me. LOL
    Send me enough money and I can arrange a marriage with one of my sons. LOL,
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    Jul 8, 2008, 01:06 PM
    You know, I get those all the time. You don't think it's the same person do you? Don't take this personally N0help4u, but I just couldn't share a man with anyone. Nor do business with my husbands "other" wife. Haha.
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    Jul 8, 2008, 01:14 PM
    Smoke here you go Fight the Smears | Fight the Smears Home

    Since there are so many Fake smears going around the internet and EMAIL about Obama he created this web site. I am sure if you went on this site all of year fears will be squashed.
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    Jul 8, 2008, 02:13 PM
    Anonymous propagandists sitting around love to mythologize the military services and war, and, boy, do fat guys sitting behind a computer eat it all up!!

    If you want to see what war is really like... watch HBO's new series on the Iraq War beginning Sunday.
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    Jul 8, 2008, 02:22 PM
    Who produced the HBO series?
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    Jul 8, 2008, 02:41 PM
    Generation Kill (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Generation Kill is a television miniseries based on Evan Wright's book of the same name. The series will air on HBO on July 13, 2008 and span seven hours. It is produced by David Simon, Ed Burns, Nina K. Noble, Andrea Calderwood, George Faber, and Charles Pattinson.



    Production

    The cable channel HBO has greenlighted a seven-hour miniseries, based on Evan Wright's book about his experiences as an embedded reporter with the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion during the Iraq war's first phase in 2003.



    Crew

    David Simon and Ed Burns (The Wire) have come aboard to co-write and executive produce the project alongside Company Pictures' George Faber and Charles Pattinson (Elizabeth I). The pair will take over for Adi Hasak, who was originally attached to pen the project. The miniseries will reportedly be shot as seven one-hour installments with production on the six-month shoot set to begin in Summer 2007 in Namibia, Mozambique, and South Africa. Andrea Calderwood (The Last King of Scotland) is producing; Nina Noble (The Wire) will serve as a co-executive producer.

    Susanna White and Simon Cellan Jones will direct episodes of the series.



    Cast

    The starring cast will include Alexander Skarsgard, James Ransone, Lee Tergesen, Billy Lush, Rey Valentin, Jon Huertas, Kellan Lutz, Pawel Szajda, Stephan Otto, Sal Alvarez, Stark Sands, Marc Menchaca, Wilson Bethel, Daniel Fox, Chris Martins and Rudy Reyes.



    Episodes

    Episode 1: Get Some - July 13, 2008
    Episode 2: The Cradle of Civilization - July 20, 2008
    Episode 3: Screwby - July 27, 2008
    Episode 4: Combat Jack - August 3, 2008
    Episode 5: A Burning Dog - August 10, 2008
    Episode 6: Stay Frosty - August 17, 2008
    Episode 7: Pending - August 24, 2008
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    #12

    Jul 8, 2008, 08:38 PM
    snopes.com: Obama Explains National Anthem Stance

    This is false.
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    Jul 9, 2008, 04:44 AM
    That 's pretty sad that people are taking satirical writing as fact. Maybe the 'Onion ' can replace the old grey lady The NY Slimes as the paper of record (the again the Slimes is more than half way there themselves ) .

    Already Jon Stewart's and Steve Colbert's show pass as serious news reporting and commentary. That is why fact checking is critical .

    I keep on advising Obama opponents that there is plenty to work with and not sink to these smears . It won't work ;and neither will Democrat's trying to disaparage McCain's military service.However ;I encourage them to continue along that line because it will surely backfire.
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    Jul 9, 2008, 05:10 AM
    Re : Generation Kill Guess I'm just one of them fat guys behind the keyboard.

    I like this line from the Washington Post Review of the book:

    In Wright's view, this sample of the front line of the American military "would be virtually unrecognizable to their forebears in 'The Greatest Generation.'

    They are soldiers who's thinking is that they have a job to do . Wright details the generation's transformation from " not a whole lot was expected of this generation other than the hope that those in it would squeak through high school without pulling too many more mass shootings in the manner of Columbine" ..... to a great generation of Americans . Wright reports many of them since his report have re-signed . This past 4th of July weekend there were hundreds who re-upped in Iraq.

    They are not the murderers that people like Jack Murtha portray them to be.
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    Jul 9, 2008, 10:04 AM
    Tom, but the smear in this post was against Obama, not McCain. McCain's military record stands excellent, at least in my book. However his being prisoner in Vietnam is not a selective criteria for presidency. We had many valued American soldiers that stood in the face of adversity, that's not a knock against John McCain. Take the military record history out of the McCain presidency equation and we're close to having a G.W. Bush clone.
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    Jul 9, 2008, 10:17 AM
    Bobby

    There is a concerted effort by Democrats to diminish his record. Clark's garbage was but one example. Jay Rockafeller made cracks about McCain's heroism by using high altitude bombing . Tom Harkin simularily made disparaging comments about McCain's service. Bill Clinton suggested the other day that McCain's temper could be the results of "flashbacks"
    This has been picked up by the Democrat blog sites and I will not even bother posting what they have said .
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    Jul 9, 2008, 10:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by spitvenom
    Smoke here you go Fight the Smears | Fight the Smears Home

    Since there are so many Fake smears going around the internet and EMAIL about Obama he created this web site. I am sure if you went on this site all of year fears will be squashed.
    Fight the Smears huh?

    "I am not a Muslim"!!

    Wonder what the American Muslim population thinks about this candidate who believes that being called a Muslim, is a smear?
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    Jul 9, 2008, 10:42 AM
    Progunr- Being painted a closet Muslim extremist via email chains is a smear and lie. The guy is not a follower of Islam period.

    Tom- Good points. I've been so busy with the family and work lately that I haven't watched much news. I finally cracked a peek at CNN and FOX about 11 o'clock last night. I do know that McCain's military record is excellent. Going after McCain for his military service would not be my approach, but then again I'm not a paid campaign advisor.
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    Jul 9, 2008, 12:48 PM
    Progunr you know as well as I do that most of America would not vote for some who is Muslim. So if you call him a Muslim over and over and over again people will believe he is a muslim and not vote for him. Kind of like G W did with Saddam, he said over and over and over again that Saddam has weapons of mass destructions. He said it so much it must be true. Low and behold 5 years later no WMD's and 2800 of our soldiers dead and countless more injured ALL BECAUSE OF A LIE!!
    That is why He has to say he is not muslim. I really thought you were smarter then that Progunr.
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    #20

    Jul 9, 2008, 01:08 PM
    A week before the US Congressional elections of 2006 The New York Times published a front-page story which all but admitted that Iraq's nuclear program had been active until March 2003.
    Documents seized by the US forces contained the truth about Iraq's ongoing nuclear program.
    The documents in question contained Iraqi nuclear bomb designs that could be useful to rogue states like Iran which are currently working to build a nuclear arsenal.
    Late 2004 Syria began developing a nuclear program near its border with Turkey.This is the site that Israel bombed out of existence in Sept. of last year. The Syrian program relied "on equipment and materials that the sons of the deposed Iraqi leader, Uday and Qusai… transfer[red] to Syria by using dozens of civilian trucks and trains, before and after the US-British invasion in March 2003." The Syrian nuclear program was supported by the Iranians together with Iraqi nuclear scientists .

    Ariel Sharon in the months leading up to the US-led invasion of Iraq warned of convoys of trucks traveling from Iraq to Syria. Sharon's warnings were later supported by statements from former IDF chief of staff Lt. Gen. Moshe Ya'alon, who said last year that Iraq had moved its unconventional arsenals to Syria in the lead-up to the invasion.

    ACCORDING TO the US Senate's Prewar Intelligence Review Phase II, which studied the prewar intelligence on Iraq's nuclear weapons program, in 2002, the US had learned from the Iraqi foreign minister that while Iraq had not yet acquired a nuclear arsenal, "Iraq was aggressively and covertly developing" nuclear weapons. The Senate report concluded that Saddam was told by his own weapons specialists that Iraq would achieve nuclear weapons capabilities "within 18-24 months of acquiring fissile material."

    In the weeks and months after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the US, President Bush repeatedly stated that America's primary security challenge was to prevent the world's most dangerous regimes from acquiring nonconventional, and particularly nuclear weapons. When Bush's statements are assessed against information that has been aacquired since the invasion, it becomes clear that the invasion successfully prevented Saddam Hussein from acquiring nuclear weapons.

    This week we transported the last of 500 tons of yellow cake uranium out of Iraq.

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