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simoneaugie · Apr 3, 2008, 01:39 AM

Could someone please explain that:

Magic is different than Magick which is different than devil worship.

I'd explain my view of the difference, but don't want to get "thumped" anymore.

Thanks in advance

firmbeliever · Apr 3, 2008, 01:54 AM

Please do explain...

Fr_Chuck · Apr 3, 2008, 05:36 AM

Yes, you have to realise that to you, it may be different, but to many, except for stage show magic, the use of magic all comes from a power that is not God, thus it uses powers that are evil ( even if it appears it is being done for some good purpose)

So for those of faiths in Christianity, I believe Islam also, there is no other good power besides God, so to us, while even the user is being deceived those powers all come from Satan.

So sorry not trying to thump anyone that is just a very basic belief of a large group os people.

mackythehacker · May 18, 2008, 08:27 AM

Magic is just illusions I think lol

pnkster · Jul 23, 2008, 08:45 PM

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lordwispa · Sep 9, 2008, 07:32 PM

A Witchy woman I know said magic is a trick whilst Magick is real, her magick is ynow summoning, candle, sex, spell ynow, all that do da. I don't know what satan magic is. My father came from a spirituallist background and they say that its how you use it that makes it good or "evil". My own use is shamanic(if it needs a name)so I regard all as POWER that sometimes may be directed sometimes may hurt(stick your hand in a fire to see) but is rarely understood, assumptions say we know some things like scientific understandings but I THINK it may just be a more refined metaphor and one that may be thrown out entirely later.so mystery could be called magick?? (my saying sometimes is I don't even know if I know)(((I talk a lot though)))

tickle · Sep 11, 2008, 09:18 AM

I don't think sleight of hand, or magic, whatever you want to call it, is evil. If someone can really change the odds and pull a bunny out of a top hat, or make someone disappear, then great, I am all for it. But I still don't think its evil.

So, simoneaugie, please explain your theories, I am ready to read and would be interested.

simoneaugie · Sep 11, 2008, 01:19 PM

Okay, I'll jump into the fire...

Magic, stage magic, like pulling rabbits out of hats or sawing someone in half is a trick. It involves distracting the audience with one thing while accomplishing the visual trick, sometimes using mechanical devices.

Magick, spelled to differentiate it from stage magic is sometimes a part of witchcraft called spell casting (Wiccan, Druidic, Celtic, Faery, Italian, Santoria etc.) In general, the power of the Gods, Earth, Sun, Moon or whatever is called upon to accomplish a specific result, like health.

Within these two, are varying degrees of ceremonial magick where the practitioner uses "props" to move the mind into sacred space. These things may be candles, incense, herbs cauldrons, wands or even brooms. Then there is Hermetic magic where no "props" are used at all.

Devil worship is a type of magick. Instead of goodness, badness is revered. Spells and rituals are geared toward evil outcomes.

To many religious people, all of these are non-God activities, all devil worship and the "wrong" way. I believe that there are as many ways to touch our spirituality as there are people. All those ways are God. God is everything and everywhere, in the Bible or the Devil worshippers cauldron.

Choices are what I see. And what is our guide? The God within us, our Soul. We are all correct. Death, separateness and time are illusions. Created by our own stage magic perhaps?

pnkster · Sep 13, 2008, 02:27 PM

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pnkster · Sep 14, 2008, 02:47 PM

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jammixmaster · Sep 16, 2008, 09:11 AM

First we must understand that magick (spelled with a "k") is just stupid. I believe Aliester Crowley started spelling it with a "k" but in today's society you usually only see it on websites and books geared towards teens (such as books by Silver Ravenwolf). In Witchcraft we see magic: The raising, directing, and releasing (A.K.A the manipulation) of energy to accomplish a desired goal (or to create change). Its as simple as that.

simoneaugie · Sep 16, 2008, 10:56 AM

I agree with you completely jammixmaster. The spelling is pointed out because there is so little understanding of the concepts. Words are an uncertain vehicle, that does not mean that the person writing or reading them is stupid.

Another thing about the craft that is attractive is that individuality is accepted. Witches do not knock on your door and then tell you that your beliefs are wrong. If a person of any age prefers the approach of a certain author, they might be kept out of a certain group but are not put down for such a preference, in general.

jammixmaster · Sep 16, 2008, 02:57 PM

Oh of course. My reference of stupidity was not aimed at Crowley himself, but at his spelling of the word. I find Aliester quite wise. As for Silver, I personally don't like her books, but if someone on Wiccan path does, more power to them.

Alder · Sep 23, 2008, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by lordwispa

a Witchy woman i know said magic is a trick whilst Magick is real,

Magic, no matter how you "spell" it, is a tricky way of making real things happen. ;)

Stage magic, illusion, is a delightful and beautiful art, and practitioners of real medicine use "staginess," use presentation, as part of their work. This is no different than the way a gourmet chef uses garnish to make the food look more appealing. It's all about helping the client get into the "spirit" of the work.

About the devil: I have met spirits like skinwalkers that are dark and dangerous, but I would not call them evil. Evil is something we humans do. As for the devil, I have never met this being personally. According to the Book of Job, the devil is an angel whose job is to challenge people to grow and learn (and who apparently likes to place bets with God on whether they will pass the tests).

jammixmaster · Apr 18, 2009, 01:59 PM

I'm not sure where magicK with a "k" came from. I first saw it in an Aliester Crowley book. That form of spelling is becoming more and more popular in books written for teens on the subject of magic and witchcraft and Wicca (though I don't know why). However, to answer your question "What is magic", magic is simply this:

The raising, directing, and releasing of energy to accomplish a goal.

Other practitioners may define magic as the "manipulation of natural energy to attain a desired result". They both mean the same thing, but that's what magic is in a nut shell. How and why it works goes deeper than that, but in a nut shell, that's magic.

tickle · Apr 18, 2009, 02:10 PM

The spelling of magic with a K (magik, not magiCk) developed during the onset of the printing press when words were written the way they were pronounced. Crowley was only trying to enhance his mystique by writing in old english which 'magik' is. He liked people to think he was re-incarnated several times over.

Quite frankly, I think Blatavsky had more credability as a medium.

Tick

jammixmaster · Apr 18, 2009, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by tickle

The spelling of magic with a K (magik, not magiCk) developed during the onset of the printing press when words were written the way they were pronounced. Crowley was only trying to enhance his mystique by writing in old english which 'magik' is. He liked people to think he was re-incarnated several times over.

Quite frankly, I think Blatavsky had more credability as a medium.

tick

Makes sense. Thanks for that :)

lighterrr · Apr 20, 2009, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by jammixmaster

I'm not sure where magicK with a "k" came from. I first saw it in an Aliester Crowley book. That form of spelling is becoming more and more popular in books written for teens on the subject of magic and witchcraft and Wicca (though I don't know why). However, to answer your question "What is magic", magic is simply this:

The raising, directing, and releasing of energy to accomplish a goal.

Other practitioners may define magic as the "manipulation of natural energy to attain a desired result". They both mean the same thing, but that's what magic is in a nut shell. How and why it works goes deeper than that, but in a nut shell, that's magic.

Who was alister crowley I've heard that name mentioned many times:confused:

tickle · Apr 21, 2009, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by lighterrr

who was alister crowley i've heard that name mentioned many times:confused:

www.controverscial.com/Aleister%20Crowley

jammixmaster · Apr 21, 2009, 05:31 AM

Depends on who you talk to. Some people would say he was the most "evil man in the world", while others would say he was a remarkable ceremonial magician and still others would call him a satanist. No matter what he truly was, it can be concluded he was a skilled occultist and writer. He was a member of several occult groups. He also practiced astrology and was bi-sexual.