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    Feb 7, 2006, 09:40 AM
    Probate Nightmare Can Anyone Help?
    This is the latest of what seems to be a hundred letters I have written trying to get help, of which there seems to be none, all because it's a piddly civil matter, I am positive this goes on in every state in this country and something must be done.
    This has destroyed my family who are good people who lived their lives according to the American rules and dreams only to be taken advantage in their time if need.
    I would like you to completely understand what has been done not to only my parents, but my entire family, which will have an impact for generations to come, due to our family history coming to a complete end, at the hands of a guardian of an estate and the property manager and his employee’s that the guardian hired.
    Please if you would put yourself not only into my parent’s shoes but also mine, my daughters and any children she may bring into this world.
    You worked all your life to obtain possessions, you inherited many items from family members that have passed, you saved and you hoped to one day be able to hand down what you inherited, possessed and saved.
    Let’s also say that you did your part for the Indianapolis society, by working for the Marion County Sheriffs department, something both Robert & Edith Gladson did,
    Let’s also say that you worked for the Indiana University Dental School for many many years for a very well known professor, typed and proof read all of his books and in each of these books your name was written and acknowledged.
    Now the situation at hand, and Please continue to place yourself into Ken & Edith Gladson’s situation.

    Your wife begins to show signs of memory loss and you take her to the doctor and the doctor confirms that she is in the beginning stages of Alzheimer’s, so a few weeks after that visit you decide to take your wife to visit relatives in Tennessee not realizing that you too are suffering from a disease, that is curable, but undetected.
    This disease causes short term memory loss due to not enough oxygen getting to your brain.
    On your trip to Tennessee you become lost and the more lost you get the more confused you get, leading to a minor accident in another state.
    This Aging facility that you are taken to in this state decides to begin medication on you and you are forced to stay in that aging facility in another state for 5 weeks, because your son in law has had it out for you for a number of years.

    Your son tries for the entire 5 weeks to find you but the son-in-law has placed barriers on him, because son-in-law has his own plan.
    Your son has no choice but to get an attorney because son-in-law will not cooperate with your son.
    Finally you are allowed to speak to your son and explain exactly what you want done.
    Once beds become available in an Indiana nursing home your son-in-law has you transferred from the other state and places you into this nursing home, using your money.
    During this ordeal your son-in-law has spent $30,000 of your savings paying nursing homes, private nurses, travel agencies, airlines and attorneys.
    Son-in-law’s plan is now to turn all of your property over to the Indiana nursing home in exchange for boarding you and your wife.

    Your son is finally allowed to intervene and an emergency hearing is set.

    At this hearing your daughter makes the statement that she wants you to be placed into a 24 hour locked facility, and makes bad statements about your son, your son however is at this hearing leaving work in Florida to do what it takes to fulfill your wishes which would be to not spend your remaining years in a nursing home.
    The Judge in this matter sides with your son and son is allowed to take you out of the Indiana nursing home and back to your home in Cloverdale.
    During the first 5 months of being back home the guardian receives all of your retirement even though your bills do not add up to the entire amount, which is $3,600.00 a month.
    During the 7 months son is with you in Cloverdale you attend another hearing which daughter does not attend, in which court allows son to move you and your wife to Florida to continue caring in whatever way is necessary to continue to live at home.
    During one of your trips to Florida, guardian of estate appointed by the court, Mr. Robert Thompson, hires a property manager named Bill Teuton, Mr. Teuton ( who has never met any member of the Gladson family) on request from guardian locks you out of your own home and is allowed to enter your home.
    During your first few months in Florida, your son becomes your Durable Power of Attorney and has to make the necessary changes in order that you can receive your retirement checks, son is able to make those changes to all but 2 of your checks, the guardian has continued to receive those for 2 going on 3 years now.
    Totaling at least $560.00 for 30 months, which is $16,800.00
    You finally move to Florida with son into home in gated community, son has you evaluated by the Lee County Memory Clinic at the Lee County Memorial Hospital by a very well known neurologist and Director of the hospital.
    This neurologist makes a diagnosis that Edith in fact does has irreversible Alzheimer’s disease, you however still maintain the capacity to determine who you want to be guardian, make changes in your will and any legal matter that pertain to you and your wife.
    Son sends the diagnosis and the Declaration of Domicile for Fort Myers to the court in Indiana, in order to have the nightmare ended, however the documents started a process which ended all of the Gladson family history.

    During the time in Florida, you had not moved anything from your home in Cloverdale with the exception of small items and 2 tables, 2 end tables and a coffee tables, in all about 1% of your possessions were moved due to there not being enough money to move them.
    Once documents were submitted to the court in Indiana, guardian had Mr. Bill Teuton return to our home rent a dumpster using your money had his employee’s enter home and begin throwing away every single item that was in your home, this dumpster was 8 foot high and 30 feet long.

    Mr. Teuton’s employee’s were even allowed to enter the home without anyone else present and began taking what they wanted, and were actually caught by the Cloverdale Police and Putnam County Sheriffs’ departments loading up their cars.
    Once son was notified by the neighbors about the dumpster the neighbors began to try and save from the dumpster what wasn’t broken, they stated it was everything Ken & Edith had ever owned in the dumpster, while they were saving what they could, the driver for the dumpster company showed up and neighbors called son and son asked the driver if he could put off taking the dumpster till the neighbors could save what could be saved, the driver said he would have to call his dispatcher, he called dispatcher and he stated he would have to call Mr. Thompson, and when dispatcher called the driver back neighbor’s stated he said Mr. Thompson wanted the dumpster out of there RIGHT NOW!! even the driver stated that he knew what was in the dumpster wasn’t trash but there was nothing he could do.

    Some of the items that were saved from dumpster, were items such as, Depression glass cake plates belonging to my grandmother, family bibles handed down, every conceivable item that people could have possessed in 75 years of life was in the dumpster, items that define a persons life on this planet, items that contain memories of those lives, memories all gone, due to a person being allowed to file an order with the court and have it stamped by the clerk, and send someone to hurriedly destroy and steal every single item.

    To this day the guardian says that there is absolutely no money from anything, no one is accountable for anything, the Judge won't answer any questions, because he says it would be unethical to do so, guardian says he has nothing.
    Now Ken & Edith are in an assisted living facility in Indiana due to Mr. Thompson keeping a portion of their retirement which they needed to live on, of which he states there is nothing, I guess he must charge a really good fee for his service’s which include doing nothing but putting destruction into motion.
    Even now that Mr. Thompson is once again receiving all of Ken & Edith’s retirement, he states that there is nothing and son is being billed for Ken & Edith’s living expenses which are $5,500.00 per month, and now is a total of $27,000.00, just since May 2005, which son is being held accountable for because Ken & Edith’s retirement is going into Mr. Thompson’s pocket.
    Not only did Mr. Tueton, his employee’s and Mr. Thompson steal Ken & Edith’s possessions, they also stole, Bob Gladson possessions and lifetime of memories, and Christa Gladson ( granddaughter ) who was in their will, Mr. Thompson was notified by the granddaughter that items of hers were also taken and he told her too bad, their gone.
    There are many witnesses to this nightmare but it doesn’t seem to matter, the only way to defend Ken & Edith Gladson is with more money of which there is none.
    It’s really something how one day they had it made because they took all the necessary steps to insure they could make it in retirement, only to have ruthless people end it all with a swipe of a pen.
    I realize that Government, The System, Judges and Attorneys are one entity, they all socialize and take care of one another, one hand scratching the other, but this is an exact example of what needs to be changed and stopped, its really a shame in all the talks I’ve had about this situation the one statement always comes up, “IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY”.
    Mr. Thompson, Mr. Tueton and his employee’s were allowed to take what they wanted of all Ken & Edith worked a lifetime for and throw what they didn’t want away, and let me tell you there was no trash in that house, it was all family heirlooms, antique’s and memories.
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    Feb 8, 2006, 06:54 AM
    Hi,
    I am so sorry, but your question is much, much too long to have time to read.
    Possibly someone else has the time, but if you can re-post it, or edit out at least half of it, someone can answers your questions. Thank you.
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    Feb 8, 2006, 08:23 AM
    I am sorry to hear about all of this, I am sorry but I find the story a little hard to believe, ( dumping valuable property into a dumpster? )

    If the people who are given guardianship or finicial responsibility do improper in their duties they can be held liable in court. Also gross fraud can be tried in criminal court.

    With witness of the dumping ( neighbors) and such, a law suit should happen.
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    Feb 8, 2006, 09:13 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
    I am sorry to hear about all of this, I am sorry but I find the story alittle hard to beleive, ( dumping valueable property into a dumpster??)
    Well it is true I found 1 attorney who would take the case but he wants $10,000.00 up front, something I don't have, others including a person in the prosecutors office for elder affairs, (probate was handled in different county in which my parents lived), stated that most attorneys will not take this case because they simply don't want to go up against "The Boys Club" in Indy, it's a shame but I think we all know it happens..
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    Feb 8, 2006, 03:11 PM
    I guess the real bottom line of this situation, can an Aging facility in another state legally declare residents of another state incapaciated without the full battery of tests,

    Then be transferred back home into a nursing home, who also doesn't peform the necessary tests, but then after son becomes guardian of persons and with permission moves them to Florida with him where the full and complete tests are performed, and the diagnosis is mother does in fact have Alzheimers but father has something totally different caused by clogged arteries in neck, but still maintains capacity to make any legal decisions that affect mother and father, but Judge in Indiana denies the Neurologist expert opinion and diagnosis.

    And yes depression glass cake plates, family bibles and every concievable family heirloom what the property managers employees didn't want were pulled from the dumpster, even research my late uncle did in every county in the state of Indiana, he was a theatre historian and his research now has been recognized as the most extensive ever done, but it was taken to a dump!
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    Feb 8, 2006, 07:46 PM
    Have you tried the attorney generals office of your state?
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    Feb 8, 2006, 08:23 PM
    Yes they can't do anything to this attorney because he's not acting as their attorney, he's the guardian of their estate... tried many many things simply put I need $10,000.00 up front as a retainer because it pertains to getting a Neurologist who is the Director of the hospital to Indianapolis, among other things... are people who have never met any member of my family who work for the property manager hired by the so called guardian, loading their cars up with our possessions criminal or civil?
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    Feb 17, 2006, 12:38 AM
    Taking anything from the actual property site is criminal action (larceny) even if its in the garbage. Until it is away from the home site where it is it available to 'anyone who wants it.' I would go to the states attorney if I were you. Something you should have done long ago. Bring in statements from witnesses and the witnesses themselves. What you dealing with here is guardianship issue. If the guardian is not acting in the best interest of the parties involved, then it can be remitted. The trouble your going to run in to here is that the issue is so old that it will be very difficult to get accurate information regarding the guardians past actions. If he is still receiving the retirement benefits and not using them in accordance with the guardianship agreement then he is committing fraud and the states attorney will handle that issue. If your father is still coherent enough to make a statement, then he needs to visit with his attorney (the one who drew up the guardianship papers) and he can settle it by himself. If there is a question to his competency a visit with any judge/specialist will clear that up. You don't need the top doctor in the state, you just need to find one.

    Unless I'm misunderstanding what your question is, if your father is compentent and it can be documented, then he can resolve the issue immediately.

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    Feb 20, 2006, 04:56 PM
    After ten minutes of research I found that you were once the guardian of these people. You were removed because you did not provide a inventory or an accounting of your parents money. Also, you did not show up for court as required by law. Exactly what is your agenda? This all looks very, very, very, suspicious.
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    Feb 20, 2006, 07:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by spence1
    after ten minutes of research i found that you were once the guardian of these people. you were removed because you did not provide a inventory or an accounting of your parents money. also, you did not show up for court as required by law. exactly what is your agenda? this all looks very, very, very, suspicious.

    Well I can see by your response that you were only able to research what you read!
    Not what has actually happened!

    What you didn't read is that my father was diagnosed to be compentent to make changes in his will, and any legal matters concerning him and my mother.
    What you also didn't read, is that according to the probate rules if appearing in court would medically harm the person according to their doctor the appearance can be excused.

    Also according to you I didn't take an inventory of what my parents owned, in the first place it isn't anyone's business what my partents owned, as for the inventory, that wasn't my responsibility, it was the guardian of the estates responsibility, I was merly the guardian of person.

    My mother has alzheimers dementia, and I had court approval to move my parents to Florida from Indiana, as their doctor stated it would make my mother worse to drive her all the way to Indiana and appear in that type of court room setting, I am not watching out for the judge, I was doing what was best for my parents...

    My agenda is to undo what people like you do that harm others, you judge before you know the whole story!!

    Besides I could have done the same research you did, in half the time and told you the very same thing you read, its what you didn't read that is the problem...

    What I find very, very, very, suspicious IS, the fact that you just became a member of this forum have only posted to this question, and have helped NO ONE!

    So I ask You, exactly what is your agenda?
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    Feb 21, 2006, 05:09 AM
    Just trying to get facts so I can help.
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    Feb 21, 2006, 05:30 AM
    Sorry, just retired. In probate for 42 years. The case sounded interesting. As a new member you have to start somewhere. Thanks
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    Feb 21, 2006, 08:34 AM
    I will agree spense, while all of us have some cases where attorneys were dishonest and 100's where family members steal all of their relations money and property.

    The items they described here, throwing valuables away in the trash, and the such were just too much for me to believe.

    I went to his website link and it was just a bashing of the entire probate court system. I think that too often someone does not win in court they don't understand how everything can happen.

    If I had the time I would like to go and investigate this one in person.
    Since if all these facts were true and could be proved, then someone would have been arrested and be in jail.
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    Feb 21, 2006, 09:53 AM
    I really don't understand why simple truth gets such a lashing, are you as nieve as I used to be and think that something of this nature just could not possibly happen in today's society?

    I am a family member I know exactly what has happened in this matter, why do you doubt what I have written down so easily?

    You are saying I am lying because this could not have possibly have happened, that no one could be so closely knit into a legal community that they basically have free reign to do as they see fit.

    Well then you sir are living in the dark, because in all the talks I have had about this exact situation, even with the prosecutors office in the district where my parents lived, THIS HAPPENS ON A DAILY BASIS, I see it you must have closed your eyes to all of this, it does happen my family is living proof!

    You say someone gets upset when they don't win in court, there's never been an opportunity to win in court, this is still after 3 years active, my parents home sits empty and mortgage payments unpaid, 2 entire years, I took care of my parents for 2 entire years in Florida, yet the guardian continued to receive a portion of the retirement even though they were no longer residents of Indiana.

    Stealing by people who didn't even know one single family member hard to believe, what is wrong with you, the neighbors called me in Florida and I called the Sheriff's department and the people were caught red handed, there is a report on file, what about that is hard to believe, a police report and witnessses...
    What about the police report, lie? What about the neighbors that called me that witnessed the people stealing lie? What about the neighbors who saved what wasn't broken from the dumpster liars?

    I think not, you can take sides if you wish !

    What is hard to believe that according to the probate rules if a person is found compentent the guardian get nothing as a fee, what the best way to insure you get the money?
    Has anyone been able to get court documents showing the rental of an 8 ft high 30 ft long dumpster, who rented it and where the money came from the pay for it, I really doubt that you did, but if you do, you will see that my parents were forced to PAY TO THROW AWAY THEIR OWN POSSESSIONS, does that not see the least bit strange that someone would pay someone else to destroy everything they worked their entire life for?

    You can call me a liar all you want but I will get to the bottom of all of no matter what!
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    Feb 21, 2006, 09:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by probatecorruption
    I am a family member I know exactly what has happened in this matter, why do you doubt what I have written down so easily?

    You are saying I am lying because this could not have possibly have happened, that no one could be so closely knit into a legal community that they basically have free reign to do as they see fit.

    Then perhaps you should get an attorney.

    You say you don't have 10,000, so then, perhaps you or your parents could take out the loan so you can hire the attorney.
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    Feb 21, 2006, 09:42 PM
    Geez, you are totally bashing the very people you want to represent you. I wonder why you can not get help. I am done with this. I will find someone that really needs help. See you.
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    Mar 9, 2006, 09:14 PM
    It is clear that at the time this all started *both* of your parents had diminished capacity. Your mother from the Altzheimers and your father from his strokes.

    It is not the responsibility of the nursing home to continue to do testing for mental capacity; once your father had been declared incapacitated, it would be his physician and/or attorney to make those decisions.

    How did your sister and brother-in-law become your parents' guardians? Why did your sister allow her husband to act in this manner?

    It would appear that if a court named *you* as the guardian for your parents, and your father regained enough mental capacity to be declared competent (which he would have to be in order to give you Power of Attorney), the court in Florida could revoke the other guardian. Or you could with the POA. And any guardian is required to provide an accounting of the estate. Was some of this necessary due to the automobile accident your father caused when he had his stroke? Or needed to pay the hospital and nursng home expenses at the time they were both mentally incapacitated due to their medical conditions?

    Was this simply a rant or did you have a question there somewhere?
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    Mar 10, 2006, 06:26 AM
    First of all this is not a rant, peoples lives have been destroyed and I simply am lookng for someway make the guardian responsible for what he has done, but don't have the money to pay an attorney and need answers on what to do.
    I have been sending copies of the documents that I send to the Probate court, to the Indiana Supreme court, so someone else will know what is going on, but now I have received 2 letters from the Supreme court in Indiana stating that they don't have jurisdication either, seems that the Probate court in Indianapolis is the most powerful court in all the land.

    I never stated that the facility where my parents were taken , were responsible, but how can a nursing home that makes money by warehousing people be the final say in someone's abilities.

    My aunt in Indiana received a call from the authorties about my parents situation, she in turn called my sister, who did not inform me, but instead her husband the next day retained an attorney ( which is listed on court documents under his name), then there was a initial hearing held and the judge made them guardians, then my sister informed me there was a problem, but refused to tell me where my parents were.
    My brother in law called me at least 20 times at work threating to come here and do bodily damage to me if I didn't stay out of the situation.

    My parents have been at odds with my sister and brother inlaw for over 20 years over some furniture and because my mother caught my brother in law having an affair on my sister, thus the revenge factor.

    Why you ask would my sister allow this, well my brother in law is the boss, so he thinks.

    I simply want answers and the guardian to pay for what he has done, this isn't a case of some old shriveled up person who can't hold their head up or walk, with a home full of newspapers... people who worked for the property manager hired by the guardian, ( and I'll bet this wasn't the first time they have worked together), were allowed to take what they wanted and throw the rest away, does this seem right to you? My parents started in this situation with $30,000.00 in savings a home and very nice possessions, now they have NOTHING AT ALL, and I am being billed for their rent which is $5,500.00 per month, and the guardian is receiving their retirement all $3,600.00 of it.
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    Mar 15, 2006, 08:37 PM
    Why do you keep PMing me? If you have something to say, say it to the Board. The last PM had a link to a very pity-party webpage.

    It clearly said that the deceased woman in discussion had a Living Will, a legal Will and had given Power of Attorney to her daughter. Later it mentioned that legal guardianship was given to the Granddaughter. But it also says that the daughter and granddaughter willingly and knowingly gave up those rights for a court-appointed guardian because of harassment by the deceased woman's son.

    So the real statement is that when you give someone your Power of Attorney, make sure you give it to someone you trust not to cave in under pressure.

    In the example given, it is hard to believe that this elderly woman, who apparently had a sizeable estate, did not have an attorney of her own, to whom she had also given instructions as well as her Will, and notification that her daughter had power of attorney. And since the daughter was a co-signer on the checking and savings accounts, how could the court-appointed attorney have stripped them of all the money?

    But stop PMing me.
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    Mar 20, 2006, 09:08 PM
    Humm can't pay bills but sure can pay self!

    Attorney fees of $13,918.50 allowed robert c. thompson, jr.

    Guardian of estate has been unable to sell the house
    Guardian of estate has not paid wells fargo $60,000

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