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NeedKarma · Mar 17, 2008, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Newsmax.com - Obama Attended Hate America Sermon

LOL! I urge everyone to visit tom's source for news. Other headlines there:
* Norquist: McCain Will Win
* Obama Minister Exudes Hatred
* Obama Dodges Farrakhan Issue
* Democrats Have Suicidal Bent
* Barack Obama: More Taxes
Wonder where Tom gets all this info for this thread? --> NewsMax - America's News Page

It's basically a huge propaganda site.

speechlesstx · Mar 17, 2008, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Only in your mind. :D

Sure, how can diversity possibly lead to divisiveness, what with all that reeducation taking place?

NeedKarma · Mar 17, 2008, 09:57 AM

How can constant attacks on all things liberal lead not lead to divisiness?

tomder55 · Mar 17, 2008, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

LOL! I urge everyone to visit tom's source for news. Other headlines there:
* Norquist: McCain Will Win
* Obama Minister Exudes Hatred
* Obama Dodges Farrakhan Issue
* Democrats Have Suicidal Bent
* Barack Obama: More Taxes
Wonder where Tom gets all this info for this thread? --> NewsMax - America's News Page

It's basically a huge propaganda site.

Sort of like reading Huffington post eh ?

Dark_crow · Mar 17, 2008, 10:03 AM

NK

Don't shoot the messenger…the words are true or false no matter whom the messenger is. Would you have us base the truth on whom the messenger is…it appears that that is your litmus test.

NeedKarma · Mar 17, 2008, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

sorta like reading Huffington post eh ?

Actually I'm glad you mentioned it. They just debunked your earlier story as a falsehood:
Marc Ambinder (March 17, 2008) - Kristol Fails To Check His Sources, And So Bungles Key Fact In Anti-Obama Column

speechlesstx · Mar 17, 2008, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Actually I'm glad you mentioned it. They just debunked your earlier story as a falsehood:
Marc Ambinder (March 17, 2008) - Kristol Fails To Check His Sources, And So Bungles Key Fact In Anti-Obama Column

And Newsmax is standing by their story. Let's see who's right.

speechlesstx · Mar 17, 2008, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

How can constant attacks on all things liberal lead not lead to divisiness?

LOL, like it's a one way street.

NeedKarma · Mar 17, 2008, 10:44 AM

But it's all you do here. Are you paid to be a republican/conservative shill? What's the motivation?

tomder55 · Mar 17, 2008, 12:00 PM

I remember what it was like before I came here. It was boring stuff really with everyone in a consensus agreement that the Republicans and President Bush were the sum of all evil in the world. Now we have healthy debate . What is the problem with that ? The genious of the founding fathers is that although they decried partisanship ,they created it nonetheless and America has been in a healthy debate ever since.

speechlesstx · Mar 17, 2008, 12:35 PM

But it's all you do here. Are you paid to be a republican/conservative shill? What's the motivation?

Personally, I just like to make liberals squirm. Seriously NK, this "it's all you do here" stuff is old and certainly not accurate, it's more like it's just all you care to see. Would you rather this place be one big, happy liberal family?

I know it irritates the left that they don't have a monopoly in the media any more (hence all the attacks on Fox News, Newsmax, Limbaugh, Hannity, Drudge, etc.), apparently not having control over The Goracle's internet irritates them as well. That's odd, knowing that the left embraces diversity and welcomes the free exchange of ideas. :D

NeedKarma · Mar 17, 2008, 12:59 PM

There's no free exchange from you guys - you just come here to disparage a whole group. It's always negative, you search and dig up negative issues about a group you despise and make threads about it here. That's ALL you do. It's like negative/smear campaigning 24/7 and you're right, it is getting tiresome for the rest of us.

speechlesstx · Mar 17, 2008, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

There's no free exchange from you guys - you just come here to disparage a whole group. It's always negative, you search and dig up negative issues about a group you despise and make threads about it here. That's ALL you do. It's like negative/smear campaigning 24/7 and you're right, it is getting tiresome for the rest of us.

NK, that's either ignorance or an outright lie. Besides that, who needs to dig when the left is doing such good job of handing it to us on a platter? Spitzer, Wright, Ferraro, Rezko, gay porn in public schools, Saturday Night Live mocking the kid glove treatment Obama has gotten, Obama and his two faces of policy on NAFTA and now Iraq, with a surrogate telling a British reporter "he will, of course, not rely on some plan that he's crafted as a presidential candidate or as a U.S. Senator."

Perhaps if you could justify the left's recent missteps you wouldn't have to resort to complaining and shooting the messenger. It's not my fault that Obama considers a profane, racist, delusional preacher like Wright a friend and mentor. I guess someone forgot to tell him to choose his friends wisely.

talaniman · Mar 17, 2008, 02:46 PM

Perhaps if you could justify the left's recent missteps you wouldn't have to resort to complaining and shooting the messenger. It's not my fault that Obama considers a profane, racist, delusional preacher like Wright a friend and mentor. I guess someone forgot to tell him to choose his friends wisely.

After 8 years of George, and his policies, I think even the Rev. Wright could do a better job. Hey Hillary ain't out the woods, by no means and the dems have a lot of work to do, because McCain and the conservatives are going to use anything they can to smear the democratic nominee. No matter who wins the otherside ain't going to like it, but its better than reruns of Smallville isn't it? If GWB can survive with Slick Chaney, then Obama will survive his other brothers.

speechlesstx · Mar 17, 2008, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

After 8 years of George, and his policies, I think even the Rev. Wright could do a better job. Hey Hillary ain't out the woods, by no means and the dems have a lot of work to do, because McCain and the conservatives are going to use anything they can to smear the democratic nominee. No matter who wins the otherside ain't gonna like it, but its better than reruns of Smallville isn't it? If GWB can survive with Slick Chaney, then Obama will survive his other brothers.

Beautiful, just like Howard Dean and the DNC it is all still about Bush, lol. After 8 years of nonstop hatred of Bush from the left I think we have earned our right to be heard, especially when it comes to selecting the next president.

BABRAM · Mar 17, 2008, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Bobby, flashback to last year

Why are you flashing back to last year when Obama addressed this weeks ago and again as recent as days ago? The Republican news commentators on several televised networks asked the questions of Obama and he answered. I hope Republicans are going to get fitted for hearing aids and eyewear at the convention this year.

PART III. This is why Obama has said on several occasions, contrary to Republican verbiages and in-spite of their blatant deafness, that he does not agree with the Rev Wright on several of his remarks. Senator Obama, does not solicit Wright for his campaigning advice nor does he give him that exclusive privilege.

Dark_crow · Mar 17, 2008, 03:09 PM

Bobby

Are you suggesting that we just take his word for it and let it go at that? Criticism of the powerful is not immoral. It is a necessary part of any truly open society, and if you want give it away don't expect too many followers.

talaniman · Mar 17, 2008, 03:09 PM

You know the guys on the right have no reason to hear anything, unless King Ronald says it, or his co-star monkey. That still think this is 1983, and money will trickle from the pockets, of the rich and uplift the poor. Ain't worked yet. But George is doing his best imitation, but what do you expect from a guy that ran the Rangers into the ground?

kp2171 · Mar 17, 2008, 04:18 PM

The problem I have is its one thing to say you don't agree with this preacher concerning a few sound bites... but when you been in his church for 20 years and you call him your spiritual advisor... you are linked, like it or not.

tomder55 · Mar 17, 2008, 04:26 PM

This is how Ross Douthat put it at Atlantic Magazine blog

His connection to Wright isn't the equivalent of John McCain's going to Liberty University to make nice with Jerry Falwell. It's the equivalent of John McCain taking his wife and children, most Sundays, to Jerry Falwell's church. And the disconnect between Obama's studied moderation and his congregation's radicalism requires more of an explanation than he's offered so far.
In an election when many expected that Mitt Romney's fate would be determined by how he talked (or didn't) about his Mormon faith, it may be Obama whose candidacy ends up riding on how he addresses the relationship between his politics and his church.