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    Jan 19, 2006, 11:02 AM
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    Why would f(x) =pi/4x^3-sqrt2x+4 be classified as a polynomial?


    How would you determine the domain and range of y=x^4-4x^2?

    Assuming that the zeros of the function y=x^3+mx^2+nx+2 are integers how would you determine the values of m and n??

    Thank you.
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    Jan 19, 2006, 12:06 PM
    How would you determine the domain and range of y=x^4-4x^2?

    y = (x^4) - 4*(x^2)
    y = (x^2) * (x^2 - 4); this says there zeroes at 2 and -2, and two zeroes at x=0.

    y' = 4*(x^3) - 8x; set equal to zero, and there are zeroes at 0, +SQRT(2), -SQRT(2).
    These are potential minimum and maximum points.

    y'' = 8*(x^2) - 8 = 8*(x^2 - 1).
    y''(0) < 0, so 0 is a relative maximum; it is not an absolute maximum.
    y''(+SQRT2) > 0, so +SQRT2 is a relative minimum.
    y''(-SQRT2) > 0, so -SQRT2 is a relative minimum.

    domain: x can be any real number.

    range: As x gets infintely large, y gets infinitely large. But y is a
    minimum at x = + or -SQRT2:
    y = (x^4) - 4*(x^2) = (4) - 4*(2) = -4. So -4<y< infinity.
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    Jan 19, 2006, 05:07 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by phoenirius
    Why would f(x) =pi/4x^3-sqrt2x+4 be classified as a polynomial?
    Polynomial is any function of x where x is only taking forms of its non-negative whole number powers, and coefficients that stand next to such "forms" of x are any given number.

    Examples of some polynomials:
    f(x) = x^2 - x + 1
    f(x) = (29/3)*x^3
    f(x) = (pi/4 - sqrt(2*pi-18i))*x^192 - (tg(pi/3)-e^45)*x^2 + (2/35)

    Examples of some non-polynomials:
    g(x) = sqrt(x) <- here the power of x is (1/2) which is not a whole number
    g(x) = e^x <- x is in the power, and not the base
    g(x) = x^2 + x - (1/x) <- the last part is -(x^(-1)), and -1 is not a non-negative number

    In your example you have:
    f(x) = (pi/4)*x^3 - sqrt(2)*x + 4
    This is a polynomial since x comes in the forms of powers to the 0, 1 and 3, which are all non-negative whole numbers.
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    Jan 19, 2006, 05:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by phoenirius
    How would you determine the domain and range of y=x^4-4x^2?
    I want to comment a bit on how to calculate the domain of a function. Domain of a function is a set of numbers for which you can calculate the value of a function.

    For example, if you have f(x) = x, it's domain is the whole set of real numbers, because for every real number x, you can calculate how much is f(x).
    For example:
    f(5) = 5
    f(246928641982612) = 246928641982612
    f(-97097353856398146248) = -97097353856398146248

    Let's take a look at f(x) = x^2 - 2
    Again, it's domain is the whole set of real numbers.
    Let's take a look:
    f(2) = 2
    f(-8) = 62
    f(1598636) = 2555637060494
    f(-98690376094376) = 9739790333649381859658829374

    For another example, let's look at f(x) = x / (x - 2)
    Now the domain of that function is not the whole set of real numbers, because you cannot calculate f(2), since f(2) = 2 / (2 - 2) = 2 / 0, and we do not know how to divide by zero.
    So domain of that function is the whole set of real numbers, without number 2.

    Another example is f(x) = (x - 3) / (x^2 - 1)
    Domain is the whole set of real numbers, without numbers 1 and -1. Try to find out for yourself why it's so.
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    Jan 23, 2006, 03:29 PM
    That's awesome, thank you so much.
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    Jan 23, 2006, 05:08 PM
    Your polynomial x^3 + mx^2 + nx + 2 can be written as the product of three terms (like all 3rd order polynomials).

    (x+a)(x+b)(x+c)

    Expand this, and you get x^3 + (ab+ac+bc)x^2 + (a+b+c)x + abc

    So, abc=2, a+b+c=n, ab+ac+bc=m. Any more information? Yes. N and m are both integers. It follows (I think) that a, b and c all have to be integers as well. So, how many combinations of three integers can multiply out to 2 (order is not important):

    1 x 1 x 2
    -1 x -1 x 2
    1 x -1 x -2

    Now plug these in and you get the following pairs for (m,n): (5,4), (-3,0), (-1,-2).
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    Jan 23, 2006, 06:35 PM
    For x^3 + mx^2 + nx + 2 , how would you solve it out if you knew the zeros were -1, 2 and 1? Like how can you substitute those numbers in to solve for m and n?

    Thank you.
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    Jan 23, 2006, 06:45 PM
    (x+1)(x-1)(x-2) =
    (x^2 + x - x - 1)(x-2) =
    (x^2-1)(x-2) =
    x^3 - 2x^2 - x + 2

    like that.

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