[Maltesepuppylover01]

My 6 month old maltese didn't want to eat at the time
So I bought some ceaser puppy food
And mixed a little bit in with the royal canine puppy food
And he ate it all,
But can you do that or is it bad?

[shygrneyzs]

I don't do anything like that unless I have talked to my Vet. Even then, he would want to examine my son's dog and go from there. If there diet changes to be made, I would feel more secure doing so, at his recommendations.

[bushg]

My mother in law feeds exactly the way you are talking about... her last dog lived to be 18. She was as a beagle chi/mix . The only difference is she uses mighty dog wet on blue buffalo. The only time she has been ill was with a hot dog that she was given. This dog is about to turn 1.

[labman]

It sounds like a case of over feeding. Check the sticky at https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/dogs/i...tml#post254171

Some people won't let the large, careful studies much of my sticky is based on change their mind. Yes bushg says her mother in laws dog lived to be 18. And some pack a day smokers live to be 90.

[bushg]

Labman, your right what kills one doesn't always kill the other. No 2 dogs are a like just as no 2 humans are a like what works for one doesn't always work for another. For instance my dogs would not eat the stuff my mil feeds her dog. They like their dry food topped with boiled chicken breast, brown rice, ground chuck, yogurt, etc... and they seem very happy. How many post, how many days, how many people are on here with the same song and dance... my dog won't eat, my dog is skinny etc..

Malatesepuppylover, This is what I base my dogs diet on. Not exact all on the list as thye have likes and dislikes. Btw the dog on my profile has never been ill since I have had him nor is he fat. He is also neutered.This is what the aspca recommends feeding your dog and how often.
Feeding
- Puppies 8 to 12 weeks old need four meals a day.
- Feed puppies three to six months old three meals a day.
- Feed puppies six months to one year two meals a day.
- When your dog reaches his first birthday, one meal a day is usually enough.
- For some dogs, including larger canines or those prone to bloat, it's better to feed two smaller meals.

Premium-quality dry food provides a well-balanced diet for adult dogs and may be mixed with water, broth or canned food. Your dog may enjoy cottage cheese, cooked egg, fruits and vegetables, but these additions should not total more than ten percent of his daily food intake.

Puppies should be fed a high-quality, brand-name puppy food. Please limit "people food," however, because it can result in vitamin and mineral imbalances, bone and teeth problems and may cause very picky eating habits and obesity. Clean, fresh water should be available at all times, and be sure to wash food and water dishes frequently.
*Note* it says to Limit people food not take it completely away.

[labman]

Yes over feeding is the largest health problem dogs have. It is highly counter productive for bushg to keep posting otherwise. She has no real credentials behind her, only repeating the mistakes of the 50's For those that haven't bothered to read my sticky, here is the end of it.

'' There was an extensive discussion of weight in a recent newsletter from a service dog school.

''Obesity is the number one nutritional disease affecting dogs. It's estimated that 25-45% of dogs in the US are obese. Studies have shown that joint and locomotive problems increase by 57%, circulatory problems by 74%, respiratory problems by 52%, skin problems by 40% and cancer by 50% in animals that are overweight.

Large breed dogs that are overweight also are more prone to developing hip dysplasia. Obesity is especially dangerous for young puppies, as their underdeveloped frame cannot support the extra poundage that it must carry.''

So please, before tempting your non eater with rich food, see the vet and evaluate it as in the link above.''

The link mentioned is LongLiveYourDog.com - Life Span Study - Rate Your Dog It is part of Purina's web page where they detail the large study on dogs and obesity that was published in the JAVMA a few year ago. It is an outrage that bushg continues to endanger dogs with her untested opinion.

[bushg]

It is an outrage that bushg continues to endanger dogs with her untested opinion.

The above statement is wrong! How dare you accuse me of endangering dogs. That is your opinion. You are abusing another member by that statement. Not very wise for an expert.
Everyone is wrong but you, the aspca, akc, the people in the bloat article, shygernys, nohelp4foryou,tickle, Grandmadidi,member after member I sit and watch you tear down. Shame on you.I could go on and on.

I will say again that this is the aspcas recommendation, not my opinion. I just happen to agree with them. Maybe some others will on here if they are given the chance to read it maybe not, that is for them to decide. It is their choice on how to feed their non/picky eaters.
Now delete this.

[RubyPitbull]

I don't do anything like that unless I have talked to my Vet. Even then, he would want to examine my son's dog and go from there. If there diet changes to be made, I would feel more secure doing so, at his recommendations.

Shy, I have to "spread it" but I am in complete agreement with you here. I won't make any changes to my dog's diet unless my vet recommends it. I think maltesepuppylover should have a discussion with her vet about what is best for her dog. Her vet knows her best.

[mydogquestion]

My nine year old GSD ate a mix of dry chow and 1/2 can of wet food prior to the food recall. For eight years this mix was fine. No weight problems and no issues with eating.
After his dry food was recalled I spent a lot of time getting a food he would eat and that he could digest well. Spent a lot of time trying higher priced specialty store foods as well as the regular grocery store varieties. I was in contact with my vet often. And while he does sell dog food in his office he told me all dogs can react differently to foods . GSD can have sensitive digestive systems and that there was no one food perfect for all dogs. He said even his two dogs each eat a different chow. Through trail and error ,(Diareeha) I now feed a mix of two scoops of a holistic brand and one scoop purina . And for the last six months he has had no digestive issues. He no longer will eat the wet food mixed in.
I think that talking to the vet about your food concerns is a good idea. Have the vet evaulate the dogs weight . Then keep the vet in the loop in regard to the results.

[labman]

I have been part of a large program for a long time that has been very successful feeding a dry chow and nothing else. While occasionally there is an exception, nearly all of the dogs in the program, including many Shepherds, do very well on Pro Plan.

For those that refuse to read the sticky because it might not agree with their preconceived notions, ''Evaluate the dog as illustrated in this link, LongLiveYourDog.com - Life Span Study - Rate Your Dog You may want the vet to confirm your judgment.''

''Bingo! No 2 dogs are alike, that is what I have been trying to tell these people.'' Well maybe your mother in laws dog survived 18 years on a poor diet, but the percentages are with a commercial dog chow.

[bushg]

Labman as long as I get my point across it really doesn't matter to me what you think. My advice is as good as the one that accepts it and that is all that really matters, people have the right to feed as they choose. So stop trying to censor everything.

[labman]

Your advice is at odds with established fact. Over feeding dogs is bad for them. Dogs do very well on commercial dog chows. It is irresponsible of you to insist otherwise. I have the right to say you are wrong.

[bushg]

Yes, you do and you do it well.
Go look at all of my post I have never told anyone to over feed their dogs... the aspca recommends human food to be only ten percent of their diet... dry food 90 percent

[labman]

Could somebody please explain how adding anything to a carefully formulated dog chow is good for the dog?

[bushg]

To the maltesepuppylover here is the recommendation of a person that I have great respect for, to another poster asking about feeding canned food to their dog.https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/dogs/b...eagle+wont+eat

Now to respond to Labman, Can someone please explain to me how a dog not eating is good for a dog?
How many of those post do we see daily... I am not trying to get anyone to over feed their dog or feed a raw diet or just table scraps I am merely pointing out that there are more ways to feed a dog than one. Owners must use commmon sense and their vets input on their dogs health and happiness.
Maybe the expert of this board does not agree but he does not have the right to continuely attack people/or sites that have beliefs that are different than his and to accuse them of being liars, kooks, wacko's or endangering dogs.

I posted this material on another question but it disappeared, Lets hope this stays.

The aspca is responsible for finding homes for 1000's of dogs yearly, they take in dogs when no one else will. Is this group perfect? No, but they are not stupid enough to get themselves in trouble for giving out misinformation either. They must have some vets that are willing to back their claims. I am sure that they have expert vets that have looked over their site and ok'd their recommendations.
The following is taken from the aspca guidelines to read more click onpagename=pets_dogcarehttp://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pets_dogcare
.Premium-quality dry food provides a well-balanced diet for adult dogs and may be mixed with water, broth or canned food. Your dog may enjoy cottage cheese, cooked egg, fruits and vegetables, but these additions should not total more than ten percent of his daily food intake.



Here is an excerpt from 2 articles that say why adding human food is a good idea, why it is good to Not Only eat dry food. No one sad to take dry food completely away or to over feed.
Several diet-related factors were associated with a higher incidence of bloat. These include feeding only dry food, or feeding a single large daily meal. Dogs fed dry foods containing fat among the first four ingredients had a 170 percent higher risk for developing bloat. Dogs fed dry foods containing citric acid and were moistened prior to feeding had a 320 percent higher risk for developing bloat.

Conversely, feeding a dry food containing a rendered meat-and-bone meal decreased risk by 53 percent in comparison with the overall risk for the dogs in the study. Mixing table food or canned food into dry food also decreased the risk of bloat
This excerpt is from a study. Canine Bloat - Tufts Breeding & Genetics 2003 If you would care to read it all

The following statement is from this article Do not feed dry food exclusively. The link is provided if you would like to read more. Bloat in Dogs

[labman]

I really have other things I would rather do than go through through this and point out all the fallacies. Some people have much more training and are more widely read. Some people have better critical thinking skills.

To the maltesepuppylover here is the recommendation of a person that I have great respect for, to another poster asking about feeding canned food to their dog.https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/dogs/b...eagle+wont+eat

Who is that, RubyPitbull that said about the same thing I often do, or Sentra that lists no dog qualifications in her profile, and I pointed out what was wrong with her answer?

Now to respond to Labman, Can someone please explain to me how a dog not eating is good for a dog?

If it is overweight and refusing to eat a good diet, the best thing in the world for it is to miss a few meals. If you can't stand careful, scientific studies, that were published in the JAVMA, LongLiveYourDog.com - Life Span Study - Overview try reading some of James Herriot. I believe it was ''Wicki'' that he took back to his office and starved until he had him eating a good diet. It is not like the idea of overweigh being bad for dogs is new or non intuitive.

If a dog is sick, it needs to go to the vet rather than delay by starting down the road to a fat, picky dog.

How many of those post do we see daily...I am not trying to get anyone to over feed their dog or feed a raw diet or just table scraps I am merely pointing out that there are more ways to feed a dog than one. Owners must use common sense and their vets input on their dogs health and happiness.

While it is true dogs at least live for a while on many different diets, I am still looking for evidence that over all they do better on anything but the dry, commercial chow and little else and not too much of it as I struggle to educate people about.

Yes there plenty of questions on dogs that won't eat. When Rickj encouraged me to set up a sticky, he specifically mentioned how many people are looking for help with dogs that won't eat.

Maybe the expert of this board does not agree but he does not have the right to continually attack people/or sites that have beliefs that are different than his and to accuse them of being liars, kooks, wacko's or endangering dogs.

Experts, and for that matter other knowledgeable members, not only have the right to correct misinformation, but the obligation. Are you saying this was wrong?

Cobra, read Article 440 -Air Conditioning and Refrigeration.

This is one of a few instances where small wire can be protected with a much larger breaker.

With reefer compressors, the running load can be 15 amps, for example, and only require a #12 wire, but due to the high locked rotor amps to start, may require a breaker beginning at 175% of the running load, up to a maximum of225%.

So, with my example of 15 RLA, and a OCPD rating of 225%, I can have a 40 amp breaker protecting a #12 wire.

And, be perfectly in compliance with code.

Any electrician, and there are many, that do not understand Article 440, will be using wire size grossly oversized for any cooling units, and adding unneeded cost to the job. This can be significant when getting to the large 10, 20 ton and larger units.

Reading and understanding the code you can find that it can be your friend.

Unfortunately dogs don't have anything like the NEC to protect them from poor practices. There are carefully done studies. The dog forum is under Home and Garden and many times has the same right and wrong answers as the rest.

[QUOTE=bushg]I posted this material on another question but it disappeared, Lets hope this stays.[/QUOTE

Yes the moderators are very prompt to remove off topic bashing of any member. I am am not sure it belongs here, but I sometimes leave things I feel more damaging to the poster than their victim. You are complaining that your violation of the rules was corrected? Duh?

The aspca is responsible for finding homes for 1000's of dogs yearly, they take in dogs when no one else will. Is this group perfect? No, but they are not stupid enough to get themselves in trouble for giving out misinformation either. They must have some vets that are willing to back their claims. I am sure that they have expert vets that have looked over their site and ok'd their recommendations.
The following is taken from the aspca guidlines to read more click onpagename=pets_dogcarehttp://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=pets_dogcare
.Premium-quality dry food provides a well-balanced diet for adult dogs and may be mixed with water, broth or canned food. Your dog may enjoy cottage cheese, cooked egg, fruits and vegetables, but these additions should not total more than ten percent of his daily food intake.

I called them today and was referred to their nutritionist. She has not returned my call. I am looking forward to her answer on why they suggest giving fruit to a dog without including a warning that only a few grapes or raisins will quickly kill some dogs. I think it is stupid, irresponsible, and dangerous to fail to do so. It is enough to send their credibility down the tube with me.

I also talked some with my vet about that material when I had Xanthe in today. He agreed. He is a nationally known joint specialist. With my usual first thing Wednesday morning appointments I often catch him at a slack time and we often have a good chat. Likely I talk to my vet more than many. I have learned a lot that way.

Here is an excerpt from 2 articles that say why adding human food is a good idea, why it is good to Not Only eat dry food. No one sad to take dry food completely away or to over feed.
Several diet-related factors were associated with a higher incidence of bloat. These include feeding only dry food, or feeding a single large daily meal. Dogs fed dry foods containing fat among the first four ingredients had a 170 percent higher risk for developing bloat. Dogs fed dry foods containing citric acid and were moistened prior to feeding had a 320 percent higher risk for developing bloat.

Conversely, feeding a dry food containing a rendered meat-and-bone meal decreased risk by 53 percent in comparison with the overall risk for the dogs in the study. Mixing table food or canned food into dry food also decreased the risk of bloat
This excerpt is from a study. Canine Bloat - Tufts Breeding & Genetics 2003 If you would care to read it all

The following statement is from this article Do not feed dry food exclusively. The link is provided if you would like to read more. Bloat in Dogs

While I have mentioned before that the Purdue study on bloat may have some flaws, I am going to bring up a couple of other points.

First of all, how important is bloat? It is a serious problem and quite devastating to those whose dogs suffer from it. Many dogs die a terrible death. When it happens, people are aware of it. When a dog dies from some of the consequence of eating human food and other poor diets, or overweight, people may not connect the dog's diet to its premature death. Why are many people surprised she is 14 years old when they see my Aster? They are amazed she is in such good shape and so active. True, her careful breeding is a big factor, but she has always been kept lean and eaten nothing but Pro Plan. Is it really worth while to risk common problems such as pancreatits to avoid bloat?

If bloat is such a problem, better to work on one of the other risk factors. Rapid eating is a big one with safe, easy ways to control it.

I think I have addressed every one of your points and shown that you are wrong. It is time for you and some others to recognize you have no special knowledge of dogs. It is irresponsible for you to continue to interfere with me and other good people in our efforts to disseminate the better practices we know.

Oh, on that material that was deleted. It is unethical to quote people out of context.

[bushg]

I am happy as long as the op see's that there are different ways of feeding her dog. I feel as though I have done what I intended to do. That is all that matters to me not this senseless arguing with you. I must say that I am happy that you called no one a liar or a kook ,wack this time. That is much better more like an expert.

[labman]

So you, and any friends you can recruit, will continue your destructive ways?