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    qaz Posts: 1, Reputation: 1
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    Aug 21, 2005, 08:00 AM
    I'm a soldier who lost a leg in Iraq.
    I came back home in darkness with so many bandages without anybody noticing us.

    I have made a vow to myself to reveal the lies of those who stole my life.

    Here is the truth they are trying to conceal from you

    As casualties mount in Iraq, so has the monetary cost of the war. The military is now spending more than $5.8 billion each month, top officials told Congress this week.

    ..

    The Army, with about 110,000 soldiers on the ground in Iraq, has a monthly "burn rate" of $4.7 billion.

    The Air Force is spending about $800 million monthly.

    The Marines, which are spearheading the fighting in Fallujah, had an average monthly war cost of $300 million

    The US government uses lots of methods to reduce the number of victims:

    Only American soldiers are counted into the statistics, and even in this category they don't give the exact numbers

    And what if we knew that the US government gave thousands of non-Americans promises of a citizenship if they fight in Iraq

    And what if we knew that The US government uses thousands of American, British, and other bounty killers who work for the "special security companies" for high salaries and the US government isn't responsible for their safety

    Number of killed soldiers till now: 9,500

    Number of wounded soldiers till now: 24,000

    Number of deserters: 8,000

    War cost till now:
    http://costofwar.com/

    Number of bounty killers in Iraq: 27,000

    Number of bounty killers killed till now: 16,300

    Iraqi daily average attacks: 80-90

    And u can get a look on this information yourself using this link:

    http://cia.555mb.com/

    And here

    The Ultimate Deception?
    By Jim Lampley
    June 18, 2005
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblo...tion_2838.html

    Press Reports on U.S. Casualties: About 17,000 Short, UPI Says
    By Mark Benjamin, UPI
    September 15, 2004
    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1000630846

    20,802 US Soldiers Heavily Wounded By Raed
    November 24, 2004
    http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/...y-wounded.html

    Their Blood Is In Bush's Hand
    (Flash Presentation)
    http://www.bushflash.com/ma.html

    Murder by Numbers
    (Flash Presentation)
    http://66.230.230.110/geeklog/public...40602204332930

    Mapping Death: Iraq War Fatalities: By day: By Country
    March 20, 2003 - June 20, 2005
    (Flash Presentation)

    http://www.obleek.com/iraq/index.html

    The Soldier's Heart
    PBS Frontline
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/heart/view/

    Iraq: The Uncounted
    November 21, 2004
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in656756.shtml

    Stockpiling the Wounded from Iraq
    Inside Walter Reed Hospital
    By Nicole Colson
    June 06, 2005
    http://www.counterpunch.org/colson06062005.html

    This was a very good read from a year ago.
    The warmongers 'love' the troops, until they come home.. . Damaged
    By Doris H. Colmes
    June 29, 2004
    http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/12573

    http://www.americanprogress.org
    http://www.awitness.org/journal/real_iraq_war.html
    http://icasualties.org/oif/
    http://antiwar.com/casualties/list.php
    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
    http://www.homelandsecurity.org/resources.asp
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/index.html
    http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/iraq.htm
    http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaki...84537-4865r.htm
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    speedball1 Posts: 29,301, Reputation: 1939
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    Aug 21, 2005, 08:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by qaz
    I came back home in darkness with so many bandages without anybody noticing us.

    I have made a vow to myself to reveal the lies of those who stole my life.

    Here is the truth they are trying to conceal from you

    As casualties mount in Iraq, so has the monetary cost of the war. The military is now spending more than $5.8 billion each month, top officials told Congress this week.

    ..

    The Army, with about 110,000 soldiers on the ground in Iraq, has a monthly "burn rate" of $4.7 billion.

    The Air Force is spending about $800 million monthly.

    The Marines, which are spearheading the fighting in Fallujah, had an average monthly war cost of $300 million

    The US government uses lots of methods to reduce the number of victims:

    Only American soldiers are counted into the statistics, and even in this category they don't give the exact numbers

    And what if we knew that the US government gave thousands of non-Americans promises of a citizenship if they fight in Iraq

    and what if we knew that The US government uses thousands of American, British, and other bounty killers who work for the "special security companies" for high salaries and the US government isn't responsible for their safety

    Number of killed soldiers till now: 9,500

    Number of wounded soldiers till now: 24,000

    Number of deserters: 8,000

    War cost till now:
    http://costofwar.com/

    Number of bounty killers in Iraq: 27,000

    Number of bounty killers killed till now: 16,300

    Iraqi daily average attacks: 80-90

    And u can get a look on this information yourself using this link:

    http://cia.555mb.com/

    And here

    The Ultimate Deception?
    By Jim Lampley
    June 18, 2005
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblo...tion_2838.html

    Press Reports on U.S. Casualties: About 17,000 Short, UPI Says
    By Mark Benjamin, UPI
    September 15, 2004
    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1000630846

    20,802 US Soldiers Heavily Wounded By Raed
    November 24, 2004
    http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/...y-wounded.html

    Their Blood Is In Bush's Hand
    (Flash Presentation)
    http://www.bushflash.com/ma.html

    Murder by Numbers
    (Flash Presentation)
    http://66.230.230.110/geeklog/public...40602204332930

    Mapping Death: Iraq War Fatalities: By day: By Country
    March 20, 2003 - June 20, 2005
    (Flash Presentation)

    http://www.obleek.com/iraq/index.html

    The Soldier's Heart
    PBS Frontline
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/heart/view/

    Iraq: The Uncounted
    November 21, 2004
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in656756.shtml

    Stockpiling the Wounded from Iraq
    Inside Walter Reed Hospital
    By Nicole Colson
    June 06, 2005
    http://www.counterpunch.org/colson06062005.html

    This was a very good read from a year ago.
    The warmongers 'love' the troops, until they come home . . . damaged
    By Doris H. Colmes
    June 29, 2004
    http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/12573

    http://www.americanprogress.org
    http://www.awitness.org/journal/real_iraq_war.html
    http://icasualties.org/oif/
    http://antiwar.com/casualties/list.php
    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
    http://www.homelandsecurity.org/resources.asp
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/index.html
    http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/iraq.htm
    http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaki...84537-4865r.htm

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, from a combat vet of WW2. We went over and fought a war of aggression while you went over and fought a war for political gain. Our war was fought because we were attacked and we were defending America and our way of life while your war was built on lies and deception while we were the aggressors. We were trained to fight the war we did while you were sent over with inadequate armo and reserves that weren't trained in urban warfare. Just as we had people thank us when we returned let me add one mans thanks for your service, sacrifice and the pain you endured. I support our troops but place the blame for ALL the deaths in Iraq squarely on George Bush and the chicken hawks he has for advisers. One more time. THANK YOU!
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    Aug 21, 2005, 08:38 AM
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    http://www.binaryboy.com/forum/showt...=1195#post1195
    http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com...ad.php?t=23015
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    #4

    Aug 22, 2005, 06:25 AM
    Lost a leg
    Hi,
    I pray that you will receive many, many Blessings.
    Thank you for your very brave actions, and may God Bless you.
    This war is no longer necessary; might have been at one time. It's time to pull out, let people in that country decide what they want.
    We should have been out of there months and months ago.
    The majority of the voting public now disagrees with staying there. It will not be too long before the majority starts to make a difference, and get everyone home.
    We cannot continue being the "saver" of the world; and it's time for major changes in Congress, and the next major voting will show that!!
    Best of luck, and again, God Bless you.
    fredg
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    Aug 31, 2005, 03:05 PM
    The men and women who serve our country and make sacrifices deserve our utmost respect and thanks. However, it upsets me whenever anyone, veteran or civilian, criticizes our leaders for taking the steps they've had to take. Freedom isn't free. This is an overused but all-too-true cliché. Unffortunately, we Americans and most of our western counterparts seem to have lost sight of that. Lives and limbs have been lost throughout history and will continue to be. Financial expenses have been and will continue to be staggering. War is a necessary evil. How about in 1775? Should we have not fought to free ourselves from the tyranny of the British Crown because of the lives and finances that would be expended? In 1861, should we have not fought to end the injustice of slavery because lives would be lost and the financial costs would be staggering? In 1917, should we have not fought the Germans who kept attacking our ships that weren't engaged in combat? Should we have not fought back in 1941 when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor for no good reason? Should we have just let the Nazis continue to slaughter millions more innocent people? Had we not fought World War II, today the eastern half of the world would be speaking Japanese and the western half would be speaking German. There wouldn't be anyone with a single drop of Jewish blood alive today and anyone who even posted anything on the internet criticizing their government would be thrown in jail and possibly executed. Anyone who thinks these threats no longer exist in the modern world is sadly mistaken. There are enemies out there who are bent on destroying America and her western allies and everything they stand for. Three centuries of progress in human rights hang in the balance. If we don't take a stand, then we will fall back into the Dark Ages. Yes, lives will be lost and financial expenditures will be staggering at rates that will take modern computers more than a few milliseconds to calculate. However, I don't seriously believe that any reasonable human being would endorse the alternative.
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    Aug 31, 2005, 03:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by s_cianci
    However, it upsets me whenever anyone, veteran or civilian, criticizes our leaders for taking the steps they've had to take. Freedom isn't free.
    Has it occurred to you that these steps may have been taken for the wrong reasons in support of the wrong motives?

    There seems to be this prevailing opinion that although people have given their lives for our freedoms, including the freedom to criticize our leaders, actually using that freedom is somehow wrong and an insult to America. But maybe our leaders _are_ wrong or _are_ employing deception or _are_ acting for the wrong reasons. Isn't it our responsibility, our duty, as Americans, to keep the country focused on the ideals it was founded upon instead of blindly accepting whatver Fox News tells us? More importantly, shouldn't we, as The People, think for ourselves?

    Freedom is not free, but has it occurred to you the battle we are fighting is not for freedom? What if Americans are dying so that, in some twisted way, we _lose_ our freedoms in the process? Maybe some of our enemies are closer to home than we think.

    Has it occurred to you that not everyone in the US government holds the Bill of Rights closer to their heart than their own ambition and lust for power?

    Has it occurred to you that the civil liberties we lost when the USA PATRIOT Act was passed will probably never be fully returned to us? And that was all in the name of disrupting a terrorist network consisting of thousands of "sleeper cells" armed with fresh chemical weapons shipped from bone pits in Iraq and crude nuclear weapons consisting of Nigerian uranium and assembled in a highly-advanced workshop located in a clandestine 30-story concrete-reinforced command center buried in the Tora Bora mountains.

    Has it occurred to you that if this incredibly complex underground network actually existed, every large American city would have been turned into a smoking ruin almost four years ago? Think about it: if the "terrorist" network was as organized as our government would have us believe, we would be dead by now.

    Do you really think a bunch of fundamentalist nutcases could really create an organized underground and keep it together? What if two groups in this network have a religious disagreement? If the Quar'an is absolute truth, there is no room for compromise in religious interpretations, and the disagreeing groups are much less likely to cooperate with each other, and may even turn to violence to ensure their own interpretation becomes dominant. Thus, the house of cards falls.

    World War II was MUCH different than the conflict we are currently engaged in. Much different.

    ~psi42
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    Aug 31, 2005, 05:07 PM
    To war or not to war
    There were some comments made in earlier post which I dissagree with
    The war for our independence, was it nessassary? I think so ,but to offer
    An alternative just look at our northern border,Canada just negotiated it's
    Independence it took three hundred years but they did it without bloodshed
    WWII did we have to get involved? Again I say yes ,but there have been rumors for years that we were shipping arms and that our leaders new that Pearl Harbor was going to happen.
    What about today, you say that the reasons for the war were fabricated
    I aggree,but to pull out now would leave that place open to all kinds of possible terrror groups,which in turn would turn around and bite us in the
    We have allways been sticking our nose in the affairs of other countries
    Have we forgotten that it was us that helped hussien to power!!
    But the real question should be "what is a good reason to intervene?"
    What about the genicide going on in Africa which is getting little to no
    Coverage? What about that maniac in Korea who now has the BOMB

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