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sGt HarDKorE · Jul 31, 2007, 10:44 PM

Well I am beginning to think I am gay and I am wondering if I would be sent to hell for this. I hear all the time on TV about how god hates gays, and I'm not sure if I am gay but this isn't helping...

Also what if I kind of do not believe in god? My family is not very church active,

nauticalstar420 · Jul 31, 2007, 10:48 PM

If you do not believe in God or the Devil, why do you believe in Heaven and Hell?

I used to be a Mennonite and in my church it was okay to be gay. We had a few gay members. If it is okay with the Mennonites, I don't see why it wouldn't be okay with any other religion. But that's the wonderful world of organized religion for you.

rankrank55 · Jul 31, 2007, 10:57 PM

You will know if your gay or not; you just have to be completely honest with yourself. I have many gay friends and they have told me that the always knew they were gay. In my opinion, gay people don't go to hell. They can't help who they are; they are living, breathing, beautiful human souls just like the rest of us.

nauticalstar420 · Jul 31, 2007, 11:04 PM

Universal Truth disagrees: "if relgion doesn't support your views, just change your system of belief" - nice

What the hell? I was talking about my personal experience with my religion. I never told him to change his belief. Do you read English?

rankrank55 · Jul 31, 2007, 11:06 PM

I have to spread the rep around but I thought your answer was great star! I love the local Mennonites in my area BTW!

nauticalstar420 · Jul 31, 2007, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by rankrank55

I have to spread the rep around but I thought your answer was great star! I love the local Mennonites in my area BTW!

It wasn't my favorite religion in the world, but they were so nice! I just didn't like our Pastor that much, he never put any excitement into his preachings, he used the same tone of voice through his whole sermon. Even the die hard church goers would fall asleep sometimes.

sGt HarDKorE · Jul 31, 2007, 11:10 PM

I believe in hell and heaven because I kind of believe in god, I want to believe in god, but I'm having a hard time...

nauticalstar420 · Jul 31, 2007, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by sGt HarDKorE

I believe in hell and heaven because i kind of believe in god, i want to believe in god, but im having a hard time...

Whether you do you don't, your personal beliefs are your personal beliefs and I do not believe in preaching to anyone. I don't like it when people pressure me to go to church. Nobody should look down on someone for their beliefs.

Whether it is okay to be gay religiously, I don't know, but like I said, in my old religion we welcomed anybody and everybody.

rankrank55 · Jul 31, 2007, 11:13 PM

I think we all go through phases of doubt about religion. You just have to decide to go with you faith or logic.

Star: I know what you mean; drab church sessions are the worst.

Universal Truth · Jul 31, 2007, 11:14 PM

I think I heard it best from my gay friend in college. I once asked him "how did you know you were gay", thinking there was some sort of science behind it.

He replied: "I stuck something in my butt and I liked it.... a lot"

It seemed pretty cut and dry at the time, so I never questioned his logic. Then, about two hours later, I realized that you don't need to be gay to put things in your butt; you just need to be sexually adventurous. So I again posed the question to my friend, stating my new theory.

He then replied: "I like men sticking things in my butt"

I couldn't help but laugh (no pun intended). My friend David made a valid argument. I think being gay is something that is that simple. I mean, if you are questioning it, you are probably gay.

As for the god issue... It's a matter of your beliefs. I find it hard to believe that being gay is genetic. Therefore the only alternative is that you are choosing to be gay. My logic for this is simple - In genetics, the genes are hereditary elements passed on from the parental generation. Half from each side. If your parents are heterosexual, they wouldn't carry the gay gene, thus making it impossible that you are genetically gay. However, if it is a recessive trait, present in one copy in both parents, then sure, you are gay. The catch is, over time the gay gene would have been lost since it doesn't increase your ability to reproduce- gay people can't procreate. Given how many generations of humans that have come and gone, it's a safe bet to say that the gene is no more. The only alternative is choice.

Now, since we have concluded that you are chosing to be gay, we can attack the religious implications. If you believe that God hates sinners and sinning is a consequence of free will, then your "choices" can and will send you to hell. However, if you are not that religious, it won't matter because you will die, just like the rest of us and no amount of gay sex is going to change that.

My advice... make a decision on what you are and enjoy it. It really doesn't matter. Gay or not, we all die.

Universal Truth · Jul 31, 2007, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by nauticalstar420

What the hell? I was talking about my personal experience with my religion. I never told him to change his belief. Do you read English?

No, I'm sorry. I only read spanish, type in english, and speak latin.

Your response was your experience, and I was simply using the "not helpful" link to state that I did not feel your answer was helpful. It was not a personal attack.

sGt HarDKorE · Jul 31, 2007, 11:21 PM

Well I have said this in a previous post but I figure its useful in this thread:

I thought about it real hard and I tried to think back as far as I can to when I tought I was gay. I think I know why I may have turned gay (If I wasn't from the start). When I was 13-14 this one guy would always ask me to go on webcam with him and he would always do stuff to my character (On a game) such as have sex with it. He got banned about a month ago for Sexual Harassing numerous people. Another person also would ask me to cam and would send me links of him masturbating, if this is the reason I am, can I go back? I know you said your friend switched between orientation, but I do not want to be alone. I want to have a family, and have kids.

nauticalstar420 · Jul 31, 2007, 11:23 PM

Just because you watched someone masturbate on cam does not necessarily mean you are gay. If you want to have a family, and kids, that must mean you still think about being with women. Is it possible that you could be bi?

Universal Truth · Jul 31, 2007, 11:23 PM

"nauticalstar420 disagrees: I was letting him know that some religions do accept homosexuality. If it is okay to Mennonites, it must be okay to their version of God. That was his question, after all."

I am aware of that... Hence the reason I said what I said. He stated that his "sort of beliefs" did not agree with it, and you said "my religion does"... not really helpful because it implies that you are either telling him he should change his beliefs, or he should subscribe to yours. Again, it wasn't a personal attack, so I don't understand why you are attacking me.

I don't agree with what you said and I stated my case. Deal with it.

rankrank55 · Jul 31, 2007, 11:25 PM

You don't choose to be gay... you either are or your not. Check out this website.
What Makes People Gay? - The Boston Globe

nauticalstar420 · Jul 31, 2007, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Universal Truth

"nauticalstar420 disagrees: I was letting him know that some religions do accept homosexuality. If it is okay to Mennonites, it must be okay to their version of God. That was his question, after all."

I am aware of that.... Hence the reason I said what I said. He stated that his "sort of beliefs" did not agree with it, and you said "my religion does".... not really helpfull because it implies that you are either telling him he should change his beliefs, or he should subscribe to yours. Again, it wasn't a personal attack, so I don't understand why you are attacking me.

I don't agree with what you said and I stated my case. Deal with it.

Its funny though, because you don't really have a case. I already told you, I was just letting him know that some religions do accept it. I never said "change your beliefs" or "believe in what I believe" now did I? If I did, please post it in a quote so I can fix it. Like I said to him before, I don't preach to people or try to make them change. That decision is up to them. I was just letting him know, that in some cases, it is accepted.

Universal Truth · Jul 31, 2007, 11:26 PM

It doesn't mean you are gay, it means you have sexual curiousity. It's the equivalent to the people who like pain as pleasure, or just good old fashioned porn. It's a fetish not a sexual orientation.

The bible frowns upon fetishes though

rankrank55 · Jul 31, 2007, 11:29 PM

[QUOTE=Universal Truth
I am aware of that... Hence the reason I said what I said. He stated that his "sort of beliefs" did not agree with it, and you said "my religion does"... not really helpful because it implies that you are either telling him he should change his beliefs, or he should subscribe to yours. Again, it wasn't a personal attack, so I don't understand why you are attacking me.

QUOTE]

I don't believe she was trying to get him to convert or believe in something else. This was a simple,personal experience that she was sharing in order to get the point across that some religions don't think that gay people should go to hell. Personal experiences are great!

sGt HarDKorE · Jul 31, 2007, 11:30 PM

Well the reason I wrote that last paragraph was to explain that I think my thought process was altered because I was in a way being manipulated. The two people would always talk sexually around me about themselves and always ask me about my penis and such. I hope I'm not gay, and there is that possibility of being BI, I just hope my love for women increases more than women... Hopfully it is just a phase that I will eventually get over

Universal Truth · Jul 31, 2007, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by nauticalstar420

Its funny though, because you dont really have a case. I already told you, I was just letting him know that some religions do accept it. I never said "change your beliefs" or "believe in what I believe" now did I? If I did, please post it in a quote so I can fix it. Like i said to him before, I dont preach to people or try to make them change. That decision is up to them. I was just letting him know, that in some cases, it is accepted.

I see your point, but you are missing mine. You stated your situation, thus proposing an alternative. It's an implied meaning. It's like when your friend says that he hates his car cause it's a pile of crap, and you say "my car runs great". You are not actually saying "you should have bought a car like mine" but you are implying that your car is better given the situation at hand. Anyway, it's not the point. I'm not here to argue with you over what you said. I disagree with it, and that offends you. I really don't care. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to give an honest opinion. Can we please get back to the issue at hand?