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    Jul 24, 2007, 05:58 PM
    Uninformed Members?
    Question erased due to being perceived as an attack.
    Apologies.
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    Jul 24, 2007, 06:02 PM
    For the same reason methodist or baptist belong to the KKK, or to a black power group. Or perhaps why there is a gay baptist church in Atlanta although it is completely against baptist teachings.

    The Church does not control peoples minds and what they want.

    I would hope you MEAN, why do catholic, baptist, methodist Lutheran and other Christians believe these things?? I am sure you are not attacking one faith for something they don't teach
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    Jul 24, 2007, 06:07 PM
    I am not a current member of the Catholic faith, not since I turned 30 (so that makes 25 years being non Catholic) but I never heard that this burning at the stake and persecution was justified. As far as being informed as to Church viewpoints and position, well, we had to rely on our Monsignor or parish priest or the nun who taught in our school to inform us.

    Whatever members currently justify the persecution and death of non believers are doing so in error. The late Pope made public statements asking for forgiveness to those people who were persecuted and died. Most Catholics I know (including extensive family members) do not hold to the viewpoint that all the grievous acts were justified. I must know different people than you do.
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    Jul 24, 2007, 07:01 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
    For the same reason methodist or baptist belong to the KKK, or to a black power group. Or perhaps why there is a gay baptist church in Atlanta although it is completely against baptist teachings.

    The Church does not control peoples minds and what they want.

    I would hope you MEAN, why do catholic, baptist, methodist Lutheran and other Christians belive these things????? I am sure you are not attacking one faith for something they dont teach


    It was not intended as an attack.
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    Jul 24, 2007, 07:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by shygrneyzs
    I am not a current member of the Catholic faith, not since I turned 30 (so that makes 25 years being non Catholic) but I never heard that this burning at the stake and persecution was justified. As far as being informed as to Church viewpoints and position, well, we had to rely on our Monsignor or parish priest or the nun who taught in our school to inform us.

    Whatever members currently justify the persecution and death of non believers are doing so in error. The late Pope made public statements asking for forgiveness to those people who were persecuted and died. Most Catholics I know (including extensive family members) do not hold to the viewpoint that all the grievous acts were justified. I must know different people than you do.

    I ask because I just came across the justifications I mention in the Whycliff thread.
    I am not saying that ALL or even MOST Catholic members feel the same way. Perhaps I should try to delete the question since it is coming across as an attack on the CC and that wasn't my intention.
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    Jul 24, 2007, 07:12 PM
    It does come across as an attack. About the Wycliffe post - yes the Church called Wycliffe a heretic but they also condemned Joan of Arc. Was not right, but it happened. The Catholic is not innocent from their past but I don't think there was or is a Church who can stand and throw the first stone.
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    Jul 24, 2007, 07:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by shygrneyzs
    It does come across as an attack. About the Wycliffe post - yes the Church called Wycliffe a heretic but they also condemned Joan of Arc. Was not right, but it happened. The Catholic is not innocent from their past but I don't think there was or is a Church who can stand and throw the first stone.
    I wasn't attempting to cast stones. The question has been erased in order to prevent any further controversy about its purpose.

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